Stephen Espinoza vs Eddie Hearn

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I mean, I'm no private detective or anything, but it seems to me that a boxing promoter with twice the promotional experience of Eddie Hearn, has gone down hill if he ends up being paid to post on a forum.

Let's see how far he would have gotten in life starting as a homeless runaway instead of being handed his daddy's company.

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The quote I posted is June 2018 so what on earth are you talking about ? Wilder lost his pen and Finkel Confirmed no interest in Joshua even after he was done with Povetkin . Finkels own quote acknowlegeds the fight to be next ,so are you saying Joshua would not fioght him at all in 2018 when 7 months were left in that year ? Ha

Wilder was never sent a contract for a 2018 fight with Joshua. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. Hearn sent a contract with no date, said he'd add a date in a few days, and when a few days went by he said he decided to fight Povetkin next, so the date couldn't be until 10 months later. Wilder, understandably believing it was ridiculous to sign for a fight 10 months away, told Hearn to go **** himself.

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DAMAGE CONTROL

A fact doesn't stop being a fact just because you label it "damage control." If anything, you're doing damage control by trying to dismiss the facts.

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If he was a promoter ,I was a tiger tamer in the circus .

Why hide behind a computer? This can be solved very easily. Put your money where your mouth is and bet me. Very easy for me to verify my identity, produce my promoter licenses from various states, etc. If you're so sure I'm lying, bet me.

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True Wilder written one without any lawyers or team involvement present and made his own terms up in the contract and sent it straight away to Hearn.....Keep in mind a 50 million contract that doesn't need any negotiations just signing with no worries about nothing. RIGHTTTTTTTTTTT !

Eddie Hearn has already publicly said that money offer was odd but real, he had multiple questions to Haymon about said offer that were answered, and even went as far as to bring the full offer to AJ and his camp to weigh out.

If AJ said "yeah, I'm a man of my word, let's take the fight", Eddie Hearn would've jumped all the way into the talks to close down the actual deal terms (French TV, ticket sponsors, hotel lodgings, promotional schedule, etc).

Joshua said "No, I value delivering the fight for the UK more than any money I could make on the fight in the US", so Hearn went back to the drawing board and made a new counteroffer to Wilder.

Once Wilder did agree to the money, his camp had to set about filling in the details on his behalf too (what Fall dates were considered for Wembley, what will Showtime pay for the US rights, would Wilder have a contracted rematch of the fight, is there any sponsor money for Wilder, etc).

To hear you tell it, Wilder was supposed to sign for his $15m, show up, and have no say in anything for the UK fight, and you had no problem with that, lol

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Both shelly finkel and frank warren confirmed that the 50mil offer was based on a Showtime / BT PPV.

That's why they wanted to rush Joshua/eddie to confirm, so they'd make them look bad once they said they wouldn't be able to do it.

That's why Finkel didn't want to meet or discuss or anything, which is such a ***** move that it's hilarious how no one finds this incredibly strange from the Wilder side.

If they were serious, they'd have met up.

Just like Eddie Hearn tried to rush Deontay Wilder into a deal that would move the fight from Fall 2018 to April 2019 and have Wilder now fight on DAZN in the US? lol

Al Haymon doesn't have a reputation for doing shiesty business with anyone, and I don't know enough about how Shelly Finkell did/does business to know if he reputation for doing bad business either (Haymon working smoothly with Finkell makes me doubt that Finkell is a crook).

If Joshua/Hearn were serious, they would've let it be known from the jump that the "I'll fight him for $50m, no problem" talk was just banter and that Hearn's "billion dollar deal" hinged on Joshua bringing Wilder to DAZN in the US.

There was no value in meeting once Anthony Joshua said that he really didn't want to take the fight for a guaranteed $50m.

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Usual groupies that think Hearn is the one telling the truth although it seems every interview Hearns given the last year or so there’s a
New reason why a AJ/Wilder fight hasn’t happend from the top of my heads some of these have been .


- no proof of funds / is 50 mil even legit
- AJ doesn’t want to fight in the US / wants in UK for the fans
- If accepted offer it be on BT
- Not enough time to promote fight properly
- Wilder has to fight Whyte first
- Only a 30 million dollar fight and not willing to overpay so it’s a flat fee with no % and this is beyond fair.
- no one knows who Wilder is
- he’s being blackballed the first Cash cow that this has happend to
- wilder doesn’t want the fight
- WBA ordered Povetkin so ignore that a unification would trump Mando
- Needs to agree to terms before Dec 1 before Wilder /Fury happens if Wilder wants fight

I’m sure there’s way more excuses and reasons that Hearn has used as reasons that the fight hasnt happend yet. And somehow people still believe him

Hearn is full of sh.it and Espinoza every couple months has No problem putting Hearn in check for his lies and dishonesty.

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Hearn has squashed the rat

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Wilder was never sent a contract for a 2018 fight with Joshua. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. Hearn sent a contract with no date, said he'd add a date in a few days, and when a few days went by he said he decided to fight Povetkin next, so the date couldn't be until 10 months later. Wilder, understandably believing it was ridiculous to sign for a fight 10 months away, told Hearn to go **** himself.

Fake news right here

It was confirmed to be next

Then wba called the Mando after wilder and co rejected the offer public. Was their plan all along

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Did you catch at the end when Hearn asks for the contract papers sent , Espinoza switched it to the Joshua Showtime agreement and avoids that point ?

Calls Hearn the pathological liar though !

Yeah, Espinoza was trying to deflect. He then tried to claim Hearn said he received a 3 pages documents when hearn said he didn't receive "1,3 or 50 pages" of anything.

Hearn maintained he received a paragraph of 50m dollars offer from the personal email account of Wilder....I found that very very odd.

I would expect that sort of email from solicitors, managers, promoters or networks NOT from actual fighters...Not even from Money Mayweather.