Hearn planning Usyk vs Povetkin for Usyk's heavyweight debut

[Jax teller]

Dude, you can't compare Povetkin with Ortiz. King Kong is the more fundamentally sound of the two with a better chin, defense and power. He is nowhere near is shot or washed up as Povetkin. Why you think Usyk isn't fighting him because he is an intelligent guy? He ain't crazy. He has very good sense.

Here are the facts: Povetkin is shorter, smaller, lighter, weaker, not as defensively sound or as powerful as Luis Ortiz. Essentially, what I am saying is that Alexander Povetkin is a blown up Cruiserweight which makes this match up that much more plausible.

I hate to piss on your parade but if Ortiz was as vulnerable as Povetkin or as you perceive, then Team Usyk would have jumped at the opportunity to challenge him at a record pace. Hell Matchroom Sport won't even allow any of its fighters in their stable to challenge him because he is so dangerous.

Not really though, Povetkin v Usyk is an inhouse fight so makes more sense to make.

Povetkin has had a much more successful career and defensively good enough to go 12 with Wlad. Ortiz couldn't go 12 with Wilder who is levels below.

How did you come to the conlusion that Ortiz has more power and a better chin, complete fantasy? He definitely is a much, much, much poorer agressor hence his perfomances against Scott, Allen etc.

Round 7 of the Wilder fight is enough to show Ortiz ain't got the power you say he has or is shot to ****, Wilder wasn't even throwing back serious punches and Ortiz couldn't even get a knockdown.

[champion4ever]

Where I think you're perhaps on shakier ground is the assertion that Usyk wouldn't have faced Povetkin a few years ago... I've seen nothing except supreme confidence from Usyk and a willingness to take on all comers. If Huck was able to hold Povetkin to a MD (in which most believe he deserved the nod) I don't think Oleksandr would doubt he could do better.

However, that's all speculative. All we can say is that Povetkin is still considered a top 10 and probably a top 5 Heavy by almost everyone with an opinion, and that ain't a bad way for anyone to start off a run in a new division.

No, I am not saying that at all. Of course, he would have taken on a prime Povetkin; Especially if they were fighting in the same era and division.

Every fighter aspires to be great and what better way to be great other than getting an opportunity to challenge among the elites of the division or for a world title? If Sasha was younger, it would be hotly contested and highly competitive match up where Sasha would be the easy favorite.

However, today he is not because to everything is a season and to everything is a time and father time catches up to us all. I still say if Sasha can't catch him early or isn't able to secretly take his PEDS then he doesn't stand a chance of winning at this latter stage of his career.

His body is not what it used to be. It's now shopworn with lots and wear and tear on it. Moreover, at this point, Usyk's body is the more younger and fresher of the two with the more polished skills.

[LetOutTheCage]

Very hard fight for Usyk on his heavyweight debut. Povetkin is still 1 of the top guys in the division

[champion4ever]

Not really though, Povetkin v Usyk is an inhouse fight so makes more sense to make.

Povetkin has had a much more successful career and defensively good enough to go 12 with Wlad. Ortiz couldn't go 12 with Wilder who is levels below.

How did you come to the conlusion that Ortiz has more power and a better chin, complete fantasy? He definitely is a much, much, much poorer agressor hence his perfomances against Scott, Allen etc.

Round 7 of the Wilder fight is enough to show Ortiz ain't got the power you say he has or is shot to ****, Wilder wasn't even throwing back serious punches and Ortiz couldn't even get a knockdown.

You know, you are absolutely correct. There's no question, that Povetkin had a much better professional career than Luis Ortiz. He was also managed better too and received a push and was awarded many more opportunities due to his winning the Olympic Gold medal in Athens in 2004. So you won't get any arguments from me there.

Certainly I am not on here to hate on Povetkin but I am only stating what I believe is true. It's a fact that before Deontay Wilder, Ortiz had never been knocked down or out as professional or even as an amateur. However, Sasha has been dropped to the canvas several times in his career; Which has earn him the nickname chinny.

Also, Ortiz is a natural heavyweight who weighs over 240lbs. While Povetkin is a natural blown up Cruiserweight who weighs close 220lbs. Therefore, King Kong is the natural wider and stronger of the two.

So a reasonable person can deduce that he punches a lot harder than Povetkin and he can take a much better shot than Povetkin too because he is a counter puncher who is very methodical, deliberate and chooses his shots very carefully while preserving his energy and keeping his chin hidden and tucked at all times.

On the other hand, Alexander is the opposite. He has a slugger's mentality. He has these short explosive bursts of punch output, where he likes to come forward and open himself up offensively while keeping his chin exposed; Thereby making him that much easier to time and hit. Which was the major reason why he was dropped three times by Wladimir Klitschko in their fight.

Ortiz had indeed buzzed and hurt Deontay Wilder badly in round 7 with a counter left cross which was preceded by a right hook. He caught Deontay in an exchange of punches. He had him out on his feet but Deontay's pure will and persistence alone is what kept him up. He simply wanted it more than Ortiz.

I personally would have stopped the fight because Wilder was both hurt and out on his feet. Had it been any other referee that fight may have very well been stopped.

[Citizen Koba]

No, I am not saying that at all. Of course, he would have taken on a prime Povetkin; Especially if they were fighting in the same era and division.

Every fighter aspires to be great and what better way to be great other than getting an opportunity to challenge among the elites of the division or for a world title? If Sasha was younger, it would be hotly contested and highly competitive match up where Sasha would be the easy favorite.

However, today he is not because to everything is a season and to everything is a time and father time catches up to us all. I still say if Sasha can't catch him early or isn't able to secretly take his PEDS then he doesn't stand a chance of winning at this latter stage of his career.

His body is not what it used to be. It's now shopworn with lots and wear and tear on it. Moreover, at this point, Usyk's body is the more younger and fresher of the two with the more polished skills.

Can't really argue with any of that, and the way I see it now the cards are all in Usyks favour... all he really needs to do is use movement to avoid Sasha coming in low with the lunging hook early rounds and gradually ramp up the pace and pressure as the fight goes on. Every chance of a late stoppage for my money, despite that some folk are trying to sell Oleksandr as a featherfist at HW. In this case he won't need to be a monster cos I think after 8 or 9 Sasha's gonna be dead on his feet and getting tagged at will.

[Disturbed]

Damn, that's a tough match up. I hope it will be a good fight if it happens

[Deus]

You know, you are absolutely correct. There's no question, that Povetkin had a much better professional career than Luis Ortiz. He was also managed better too and received a push and was awarded many more opportunities due to his winning the Olympic Gold medal in Athens in 2004. So you won't get any arguments from me there.

Certainly I am not on here to hate on Povetkin but I am only stating what I believe is true. It's a fact that before Deontay Wilder, Ortiz had never been knocked down or out as professional or even as an amateur. However, Sasha has been dropped to the canvas several times in his career; Which has earn him the nickname chinny.

Also, Ortiz is a natural heavyweight who weighs over 240lbs. While Povetkin is a natural blown up Cruiserweight who weighs close 220lbs. Therefore, King Kong is the natural wider and stronger of the two.

So a reasonable person can deduce that he punches a lot harder than Povetkin and he can take a much better shot than Povetkin too because he is a counter puncher who is very methodical, deliberate and chooses his shots very carefully while preserving his energy and keeping his chin hidden and tucked at all times.

On the other hand, Alexander is the opposite. He has a slugger's mentality. He has these short explosive bursts of punch output, where he likes to come forward and open himself up offensively while keeping his chin exposed; Thereby making him that much easier to time and hit. Which was the major reason why he was dropped three times by Wladimir Klitschko in their fight.

Ortiz had indeed buzzed and hurt Deontay Wilder badly in round 7 with a counter left cross which was preceded by a right hook. He caught Deontay in an exchange of punches. He had him out on his feet but Deontay's pure will and persistence alone is what kept him up. He simply wanted it more than Ortiz.

I personally would have stopped the fight because Wilder was both hurt and out on his feet. Had it been any other referee that fight may have very well been stopped.

Since when does weight correlate to punch power?

Your lord and savior Deontay Wilder is perceived as the strongest hitting heavyweight out there and he comes in around the same weight as Povetkin.

To an objective viewer there’s not much difference between Ortiz and Povetkin; old, jaded drug abusers that are still good enough in this weak division to pose a threat to most.

[champion4ever]

To an objective viewer there’s not much difference between Ortiz and Povetkin; old, jaded drug abusers that are still good enough in this weak division to pose a threat to most.

True, but Ortiz hides it a lot better than Povetkin does because he is the more fundamentally sound of the two. He is a better counter puncher, has a better chin, never wastes any punches and knows how to conserve energy.

This is what makes him so dangerous because physically he may be past it and on the decline but he more than compensates it with his fundamental scientific boxing skills. Which makes him appear less vulnerable than he actually is.

[paulf]

Usyk by easy KO. At this stage of Povetkin's career, he's old, small, chinny and eats too many punches. In addition, he is not that hard to find and has a very leaky defense.

Yeah, this is basically how I see it. Povetkin still takes care of most guys at heavyweight, but styles make fights and I expect Usyk to walk Povetkin down with smart aggression.

[Jax teller]

Since when does weight correlate to punch power?

Your lord and savior Deontay Wilder is perceived as the strongest hitting heavyweight out there and he comes in around the same weight as Povetkin.

To an objective viewer there’s not much difference between Ortiz and Povetkin; old, jaded drug abusers that are still good enough in this weak division to pose a threat to most.

Exactly! Both over the hill enough for it to effect their staminas for championship fights and both gassed either against AJ or Wilder loosing them the fight looking not out of place at points. Povetkin is a good boxer not just a slugger like Chisora and has the proven himelf with resume/credentials to make him as a rival to Ortiz's physical/'eye test' traits which give him his theoretical competence.