Let's put an end to this Margarito and plaster nonsense.

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  • Lords
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    #161
    So you're telling me that Margarito used loaded gloves vs an old out of prime Mosley but not against a young prime undefeated champion in Cotto? This logic makes a TON of sense, smh.

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    • travestyny
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      #162
      Originally posted by Gigantes
      green k!!!!!
      But you do admit that he attempted to cheat with plaster for the Mosley fight, right?

      I don't think a good defense is saying, "Well, some people thought Marquez tried to cheat to even the playing field against Pacquiao, so we should overlook Margarito trying to cheat because he was just assuming that Shane would be on PEDs." Come on, bro!

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      • Boxingraya
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        #163
        Originally posted by travestyny
        Why does there have to be a perfect storm?

        CSAC missed that he had the hardened knuckle pad in the right hand wrap. That hand was wrapped up and when Nasim complained about the hand, they told him it was fine. It was before the left was wrapped when they found out everything. That was for Mosley, so it possibly could have been the same deal with the NSAC and Cotto, especially if Cotto's team didn't send anyone to witness the wrapping, as some on here have claimed (I myself haven't tried to verify that).
        The only fact you have that proves Tony cheated vs Cotto is that he was caught with an illegal insert vs Mosley. That aint gonna hold up in a court of law, bro. lol. And lets not forget that the insert was caught BEFORE the fight. That means there is actually ZERO proof Tony EVER cheated. Feel free to spin that any way you need to though.

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          #164
          Originally posted by Boxingraya
          The only fact you have that proves Tony cheated vs Cotto is that he was caught with an illegal insert vs Mosley. That aint gonna hold up in a court of law, bro. lol. And lets not forget that the insert was caught BEFORE the fight. That means there is actually ZERO proof Tony EVER cheated. Feel free to spin that any way you need to though.
          There's no reason for me to try to spin anything and I'm not trying to spin anything.

          I've never said he cheated against Cotto, nor did I say there was any proof that he cheated against Cotto.

          But he attempted to cheat against Mosley. Agreed?

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          • Boxingraya
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            #165
            Originally posted by travestyny
            There's no reason for me to try to spin anything and I'm not trying to spin anything.

            I've never said he cheated against Cotto, nor did I say there was any proof that he cheated against Cotto.

            But he attempted to cheat against Mosley. Agreed?
            He was caught with an illegal insert in his wrappings. How much of an advantage the insert would have gave him is unknown. The insert was business card size and not yet hard. It was simply wet. Which is a violation. It's not even known for certain what was on the wraps though. With those being the facts I can't even say he was trying to cheat. His wraps were illegal is all we know for sure.

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              #166
              Originally posted by Boxingraya
              He was caught with an illegal insert in his wrappings. How much of an advantage the insert would have gave him is unknown. The insert was business card size and not yet hard. It was simply wet. Which is a violation. It's not even known for certain what was on the wraps though. With those being the facts I can't even say he was trying to cheat. His wraps were illegal is all we know for sure.
              You do acknowledge that it was illegal. I think that would mean it's an attempt to cheat, but lets go further because you're giving false information.

              The wraps were sent to the DOJ and analyzed. Plaster of paris was found.

              Tests show plaster of Paris ingredients

              The hand wraps confiscated from former welterweight champion Antonio Margarito shortly before his title defense against "Sugar" Shane Mosley contained two primary elements of plaster of Paris, the Los Angeles Times reported, citing documents obtained from California's top law enforcement agency.

              A California Department of Justice senior criminalist who inspected the wrappings under a stereomicroscope and with an X-ray fluorescence spectrometer determined the wraps contained sulfur and calcium, according to a document obtained by the Times. Those two elements, with the addition of oxygen, make plaster of Paris.


              http://www.espn.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4020190

              So now given that fact, do you change your mind about whether you believe he was attempting to cheat?

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                #167
                I'd believe it if his power didn't completely disappear after getting caught but it did.

                1 stoppage in 7 fights afterwards, he suddenly became feather fisted.

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                  #168
                  Originally posted by sugar ray lenrd
                  The man is guilty. Then answer this:
                  Why has Margarito not gotten 1 ko after PLASTER-GATE?
                  Why hasn't he busted anyone else up the way he busted Cotto's Face since PLASTER-GATE?
                  Why in the Cotto rematch were he was much heavier he wasn't able to bust up Cotto's face as in the 1st fight? I mean he was much heavier than Cotto,
                  Also take note of this; Cotto fought much better & harder hitters than MargoCheato & they never busted his face up.

                  There's too much nonsense going around in here, accusing Naz Richardson of tampering!
                  Un4king believable!!!

                  Answer the Damn questions!
                  --- what, you ain't bright enough to understand marg weren't fit to fight Mosley after emergency eye surgery only taken so he could pass a physical.

                  Manny said a Marg LHook to the body kept in in bed several days. He never fought at welter again , and all his losses were eye related.

                  Sad to see boxing fans always moaning about crooked boxing can't see a grade school set up, the equivalent of trying to Rob a bank by waking up to the security guard with a dollar bin squirt gun and telling your intentions.

                  You deserve the now fringe sport that you help create. Made the UFC creators a small fortune taking up the slack of what used to be a huge sport.

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                  • STREET CLEANER
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                    #169
                    Margo is a proven cheater. He got suspended for a year with out complaining and his trainer got a life time ban from the US.

                    It is right for any fan to suspect that he used them before. After he got caught he was simply trash.

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                    • Boxingraya
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                      #170
                      Originally posted by travestyny
                      You do acknowledge that it was illegal. I think that would mean it's an attempt to cheat, but lets go further because you're giving false information.

                      The wraps were sent to the DOJ and analyzed. Plaster of paris was found.




                      So now given that fact, do you change your mind about whether you believe he was attempting to cheat?
                      A lot of things carry those same elements though. Hand creams for example. Have you ever worked with POP? If you have you probably know that would be a terrible choice to make illegal wraps. That needs to be drying and un******ed to become hard. Pretty impossible to do that while sweating and punching. Also keep in mind you (nor I) know the amount of substance on the insert. Remember, just the fact that a insert is wet makes it illegal. It could have been water and its still illegal.

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