Let's put an end to this Margarito and plaster nonsense.

[travestyny]

A lot of things carry those same elements though. Hand creams for example. Have you ever worked with POP? If you have you probably know that would be a terrible choice to make illegal wraps. That needs to be drying and un******ed to become hard. Pretty impossible to do that while sweating and punching. Also keep in mind you (nor I) know the amount of substance on the insert. Remember, just the fact that a insert is wet makes it illegal. It could have been water and its still illegal.

lol. Brooooo. Come on, dude. Lots of excuses, but carry on. It's not my job to convince you, and you are welcome to believe what you want.

[Boxingraya]

lol. Brooooo. Come on, dude. Lots of excuses, but carry on. It's not my job to convince you, and you are welcome to believe what you want.

Excuses? I thought you were looking for answers and real information.

[travestyny]

Excuses? I thought you were looking for answers and real information.

I thought that's what you were looking for. Now you're saying the DOJ that found plaster of Paris means nothing. You aren't being real about this. He had inserts that were laced with this stuff and you're still trying to give him a pass. You're obviously not viewing this in an unbiased way.

[Boxingraya]

I thought that's what you were looking for. Now you're saying the DOJ that found plaster of Paris means nothing. You aren't being real about this. He had inserts that were laced with this stuff and you're still trying to give him a pass. You're obviously not viewing this in an unbiased way.

So forget that OTC Hand creams also contain those elements? Are you sure you aint trying to convince me of some other *****?

Let's say cops pull you over for speeding and find a little bit of *******. Should we all assume you're a drug abuser or dealer? Maybe you had some passengers in the car recently or some *****. Things aren't always black and white, dude.

[travestyny]

So forget that OTC Hand creams also contain those elements? Are you sure you aint trying to convince me of some other *****?

So you're actually trying to say that his knuckle pads were lathered with hand cream? Dude...a commissioner came in and looked at the pads and said that it had a hardened powder on it. That's not hand cream, dude!!!!

Let's say cops pull you over for speeding and find a little bit of *******. Should we all assume you're a drug abuser or dealer? Maybe you had some passengers in the car recently or some *****. Things aren't always black and white, dude.

Say what? They admittedly used some old knuckle pads...blood stained and wet, with a hardened powder on them, that when analyzed the powder was found to contain the ingredients for plaster of paris.

Do you really think you're being unbiased here? Serious question!

[travestyny]

So forget that OTC Hand creams also contain those elements? Are you sure you aint trying to convince me of some other *****?

Let's say cops pull you over for speeding and find a little bit of *******. Should we all assume you're a drug abuser or dealer? Maybe you had some passengers in the car recently or some *****. Things aren't always black and white, dude.

Coincidence, or what???

Another inspector, Mike Bray, said during questioning that he had seen the pads and that they were "moist and dirty looking with a white substance smeared across the pad, like a cast plaster."

[cork]

Coincidence, or what???

I'm not sure why your trying so hard to convince some people who just don't want to see the truth.

All the information out there it's either they're going to accept it or flat out deny it and twist reality to make it seem untrue.

Don't want to bring politics into a boxing forums but that's why I stop trying to reason with "**********s " right now. People just see what they want to see and not take things for what they are.

[travestyny]

I'm not sure why your trying so hard to convince some people who just don't want to see the truth.

All the information out there it's either they're going to accept it or flat out deny it and twist reality to make it seem untrue.

Don't want to bring politics into a boxing forums but that's why I stop trying to reason with "**********s " right now. People just see what they want to see and not take things for what they are.

I hear you, and in fact, I told the dude a couple of posts ago that it's not my job to convince him, and that he should believe what he wants. I thought that would end it, but he decided to keep going for some reason.

lol. Brooooo. Come on, dude. Lots of excuses, but carry on. It's not my job to convince you, and you are welcome to believe what you want.

[Gigantes]

But you do admit that he attempted to cheat with plaster for the Mosley fight, right?

I don't think a good defense is saying, "Well, some people thought Marquez tried to cheat to even the playing field against Pacquiao, so we should overlook Margarito trying to cheat because he was just assuming that Shane would be on PEDs." Come on, bro!

Yea, I'll say he attempted to cheat with plaster for the Mosley fight

agreed, it isn't the best defense, I was just using it to use the similar type of logic that those who said it first.

[Boxingraya]

I hear you, and in fact, I told the dude a couple of posts ago that it's not my job to convince him, and that he should believe what he wants. I thought that would end it, but he decided to keep going for some reason.

of course its not your job. you do seem to enjoy the challenge though. Like I said already, things aren't always black and white, no matter how much you would like them to be.