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  • R-Hand Southpaw
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    #121
    Originally posted by Bjl12
    There is very little chance of you actually responding the reply I've produced here. Partly because it will emotionally scar you and partly because you're an idiot. Anyhow, enjoy :-]

    As usual...GGG/Pacstan are Wrong. Again. And Again. And Again.

    You cite an article from BloodyElbow that uses two "scientific" articles to support their assertion that hair cannot be used to test people for Clenbuterol. They are both legitimate scientific journals, but there are huge GLARING problems with BLH and their ability to understand science.

    Also, before I dive in please remember that BLH/BloodyElbow as well as WonderWhiteBreadMan Stephen E (of this website) are extremely biased especially of white fighters. This is a long-running theme on their articles and I can prove that with "evidence" in a completely different discussion.

    The first article used over at white-loving BloodyElbow cites an article from Clinical Chemistry (a real, legitimate journal of chemistry) which is from 1996. There's a reason scientists use "recent findings" to further their own understanding of matters...namely technology. The equipment used to analyze anything in 1996 is likely so outdated that it's findings are irrelevant.

    Here's a simple picture of a 1996 cell phone:



    Taking a picture, recording audio, and doing ANY kind of measurement with THAT phone would produce completely useless data compared to a phone you purchase at ANY store today. (This is probably beyond your understanding, but try hard)

    Let's talk about this 1996 study further and I'll explain why it's not remotely reliable...
    • Don't cry:
      * Men and women of different ages...unknown if they are white/black/Hispanic/Asian/etc...metabolism differs depending on race/ethnicity

      * No weights given...at all...yet ALL MEDICINE is prescribed/dosed by weight...(you probably don't know what this means so I'll dumb it down for you)...

      Two people receive 10mg of X. Person 1 weighs 40kg and Person 2 weighs 80kg. Person 1 is likely to experience twice the concentration and Person 2...medicinally Person 1 would receive 0.5 dosage compared to Person 2 1.0 dosage. (Try hard to understand)

      * Zero discussion of technology used...method explained (very poorly), but theirs no discussion about the specific equipment and whether that equipment has produced Accurate/Valid results (accuracy and validity are different - again, this is probably all new information for you) with other substances...

      * We don't know anything about the health status of participants. If half the participant pool had major health conditions (such as kidney impairment or cardiovascular disease) their metabolism is greatly different than a "normal health individual" and would produce skewed values of any substance (Clenbuterol or other)...(again, you don't know what any of this means since you're a GGG/Pacstan)

      *The best part of all this is that the GGG nuthuggers over at BloodyElbow even acknowledge the concept of "unreliability", but fail to understand why one of their cited sources could be "unreliable"...




    Now let's look at the second study which appears to be professionally conducted by contemporary standards...probably because it's from 2014. Anyhow, it's a great study albeit using a small pool of participants. Nonetheless the findings were suggestive of potential application:



    That's odd. Why would you (a Canelo dick sucking faggot and GGG nut worshipper) post a link that cites an article suggesting Clenbuterol hair follicle tests are effective for detecting "typical abuse of Clenbuterol" and suggesting "real doping control samples can be evaluated" so long as the concentration is not less than 20pg/mL?

    Canelo's two failed tests were deemed "indicative of contaminated meat" by WADA lab director that collected the sample were recorded at 0.6-0.8ng/ml (which is 600-800pg/ml) and two days later 0.06-0.08ng/ml (which is 60-80pg/mL) and the study that YOU posted suggested it's chromatography technology could accurately, reliably, and validly detect clenbuterol using hair follices in samples equal to or greater than 0.02pg/mL (or 20ng/mL).

    There's no debate Clenbuterol existed in Canelo's system - that's indisputable. That debate exists whether it was the result of ingested meat (via Mexican cattle contamination) or if it was intentionally used for PED purposes.

    Let's remember the hair follicle test only ever happened at the request of the NSAC. Canelo didn't run, whine, and cry that this test would prove his innocence. He was merely complying with NSAC requests which - again - does support his stance of being innocent since he was #1 willing to take the test and #2 tested negative. Thirdly, Canelo has never tested positive before and he's had OSDT for at least four fights in his career: Austin Trout, Floyd Mayweather, GGG1, GGG2, and there's another I can't think of atm (and those are just the ones I KNOW about...possibly more).

    Canelo's performance following 2nd fight (after being caught using PED's) was better (not worse) than his performance in the 1st fight. So, now off the PED's, Canelo did better? What? Yeah, he was never on PED's.

    Hi SocialCucky
    Lmfao. I'm dying because its you actually doesnt actually understand the science.

    Someone just recently told me that global warming is fake because if all the ice melts then, just like in a cup, the volume of water goes down.

    Lmfao. That's you.

    You're so pathetic that I cant even lmfao. And with the cell phone! Plenty of instruments were and have been used pre 1996 that's relevant today lmfao.

    Oh my god.

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    • billeau2
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      #122
      Originally posted by abracada
      Ward trumps it. He beat the boogeyman.
      Yeah just off the top of my head I would give it to Ward. But I have not really thought about it carefully and Canelo has had his moments.

      It would have been fabulous if Ward had also fought GGG lol! Then there would be a nice fat point of comparison. Of course Ward would have probably obliterated GGG... And Canelo really looked skilled against GGG so I guess it does not tell us so much after all.

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      • QueensburyRules
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        #123
        Originally posted by earl-hickey
        He will win it but I don't agree with it as he should probably have at least 2-3 losses.

        Mayweather has

        Mosley
        Maidana x2
        Cotto
        Alvarez
        Pacquiao

        All without any controversy

        Take out canelo highly dubious wins and Floyd has better wins

        I'm not in favour of ignoring robberies and giving credit for them like they are wins that actually happened.

        --- Yo TUE hickey, the public saw Maidana knock his enhanced dk in the dirt.

        FOD will be whomever the grazing herds of boxing "writers" think has the best pre and postfight spread.

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        • QueensburyRules
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          #124
          Originally posted by billeau2
          Yeah just off the top of my head I would give it to Ward. But I have not really thought about it carefully and Canelo has had his moments.

          It would have been fabulous if Ward had also fought GGG lol! Then there would be a nice fat point of comparison. Of course Ward would have probably obliterated GGG... And Canelo really looked skilled against GGG so I guess it does not tell us so much after all.

          --- What is definitive is the standing offer to meet Son of Gollum at 164 or TUE 50-0 at 154, neither taken up.

          Canelo met him at 160, and golovkin needed a breather between the rematch.

          Just the facts ma'am.

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          • Willy Wanker
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            #125
            Ward deserves it more, but Canelo will win it.

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            • billeau2
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              #126
              Originally posted by QueensburyRules
              --- What is definitive is the standing offer to meet Son of Gollum at 164 or TUE 50-0 at 154, neither taken up.

              Canelo met him at 160, and golovkin needed a breather between the rematch.

              Just the facts ma'am.
              Ward chose Kovalev. Thats not chopped liver. Definitely the harder fight of the two.

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              • AKAcronym
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                #127
                Originally posted by billeau2
                Ward chose Kovalev. Thats not chopped liver. Definitely the harder fight of the two.
                Eh, not exactly.

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                • Lion81
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                  #128
                  Originally posted by Willy Wanker
                  Ward deserves it more, but Canelo will win it.

                  Ward????

                  Lmao, why?

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                  • GhostofDempsey
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                    #129
                    Canelo wins it from Ring Magazine for obvious reasons, but two gifts should not pull him across the goal line. Ward got a gift in first Kovalev fight. Manny still deserves a look as well. Wins over:

                    Clottey
                    Margarito
                    Mosley
                    Marquez
                    Bradley 2X
                    Rios
                    Algieri
                    Vargas
                    Matthysse
                    Broner
                    Toss in two robberies vs. Bradley and Horn.

                    Still an opponent TBD for second half of 2019. If that opponent is a top WW like Thurman, Porter, Spence, D. Garcia or even Mikey and he actually pulls off a win, he is in contention for FOTD.

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                    • icha
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                      #130
                      Originally posted by GhostofDempsey
                      Canelo wins it from Ring Magazine for obvious reasons, but two gifts should not pull him across the goal line. Ward got a gift in first Kovalev fight. Manny still deserves a look as well. Wins over:

                      Clottey
                      Margarito
                      Mosley
                      Marquez
                      Bradley 2X
                      Rios
                      Algieri
                      Vargas
                      Matthysse
                      Broner
                      Toss in two robberies vs. Bradley and Horn.

                      Still an opponent TBD for second half of 2019. If that opponent is a top WW like Thurman, Porter, Spence, D. Garcia or even Mikey and he actually pulls off a win, he is in contention for FOTD.
                      so you call 2 gifts on canelo but nothing wrong with pac-marquez ???
                      and lets not forget that pac was put to sleep by the same fighter many consider was robbed ...
                      Last edited by icha; 01-23-2019, 05:12 PM.

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