Comments Thread For: Mikey Garcia: Eventually, I'll Have To Get Credit I Deserve

[JonDP]

The actual boxing definition of P4P and what it actually means is how good a boxer is based on their overall skill, not their weight class. And a boxer will be judged based on their record, “quality and level of competition” and how many wins have come by knockout.

So my entire post is based on evaluating the best fights available IF Garcia beats Spence who is in the same division as the other fighters I mentioned. IF Garcia wins, why would he go back down to the lower weight classes again. With the exception of Lomo, who would pay him more and be better than fights with Danny Garcia, Porter, and Thurman? And the way Garcia has bulked up with muscle for the Spence fight, he isn’t moving back down win or lose anyway. He could damage his career the same way Roy Jones Jr did when he bulked up to take on John Ruiz at HW and he only moved back down to LHW.

Crawford is already a legit P4P. And he is, based on the definition above. Do you watch boxing? One criteria is based on record. His record is 34-0 with 25 KO/TKOS.

Another criteria is based on knockouts. Crawford has a 74% stoppage percentage which is up there with the guys you mentioned, Charlo (75%), Jacobs (78%), and Canelo (65%).

We can look at his quality of opposition. He beat Yuriorkis Gamboa when he was undefeated. He beat Viktor Postol when he was undefeated. He beat Julius Indongo when he was undefeated. He beat Jeff Horn when he was undefeated. And he beat Jose Benavidez Jr when he was undefeated. And he has wins against Beltran, Diaz, Lundy, Prescott, & Burns.

And another criteria is based on judging their overall technical and boxing skill. Who in boxing has more overall skill than Crawford except for maybe Lomo.

So Crawford is a legit P4P and most experts have him rated up there. YOU ARE NOT A BOXING EXPERT.

Basically you are defending Crawford’s p4p status because he beat a lot of undefeated fighters, some of them champs. Not arguing there. But Garcia has essentially done the same, yet in your comment you were crapping on Garcia’s p4p standing and saying he needs to beat more ww’s. That’s dumb and that’s why I came down hard on your a$$

[Ogecca MaMa]

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[mcdonalds]

and your his b1tch

you're just an easterm euro wannabe that will jinx lomachenko lmao.

Look what happened with your precious kovalev and GGG.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Mikey Garcia’s competition on his quest to becoming a four division champion:

- 35 year old Orlando Salido, already had 11 losses. Most recently from Yuriorkis Gamboa

- 30 year old Roman Martínez, already lost to Ricky Burns. Got KO’d (and retired) by Lomachenko four fights later

- 34 year old Dejan Zlatican, won a vacant belt and had no title defenses. Got KO’d by Roberto Ramirez two fights later

- 29 year old Sergey Lipinets, won a vacant belt and had no title defenses. Got outboxed by Erick Bone his next fight but got saved by the judges

- 26 year old Robert Easter Jr, who was outboxed by Javier Fortuna earlier in the year but got saved by the judges. He also arguably lost against Richard Commey as well.

Mikey Garcia is one of the worst four division champions in boxing history, he has faced ZERO elite opponents and has cherry picked paper champions to become one. Back in his Top Rank days, He was lined up to fight Manny Pacquiao, Terence Crawford and Vasyl Lomachenko but he ducked them all to fight bums!

Damn. That’s almost as bad as Broner. I couldn’t even deny they might be even.

[JonDP]

He only had 2 fights at 140 Jon use your critical thinking. Its not whether he won the fight its the damage he took doing so. LOOK:

Now imagine someone with more skill and power landing on him like that(Crawford, Spence, Prograis, Taylor) if a face first brawler like Lipinets can. Listen and learn.

Look styles make fights. I d ont agree with juxtapositions of fighters. The argument that if a fighter landed on someone then this other fighter with more skills will crush them doesn’t hold much water. Heck, Broner is arguably better than Lipinets and he went home empty handed. Lipinets landed some nice left hooks but probably didn’t even win those rounds.

[Mister Wolf]

Look styles make fights. I d ont agree with juxtapositions of fighters. The argument that if a fighter landed on someone then this other fighter with more skills will crush them doesn’t hold much water. Heck, Broner is arguably better than Lipinets and he went home empty handed. Lipinets landed some nice left hooks but probably didn’t even win those rounds.

Who has Broner beat at 140/147 for you to say he is better than Lipinets?

[JonDP]

Who has Broner beat at 140/147 for you to say he is better than Lipinets?

Ok so Lipinets has more skills power and speed than Broner. C’mon, you’re the one who said he was thrash a moment ago

[Mister Wolf]

Ok so Lipinets has more skills power and speed than Broner. C’mon, you’re the one who said he was thrash a moment ago

Neither one of them can punch. Both have serious flaws. Lipinets has heart and activity with little skill. Broner has skill with little heart(He quit vs Porter and Garcia) and low activity(weight gain, alcohol/drug abuse). Have you watched Broner's fights post Maidana? Broner made his name beating bums at 130 where he had a massive size advantage. Please tell me one credible opponent he has beat at 140/147. Lipinets and Broner were both cherry picked opponents. Not a single person had either one of them ranked at the top of 140 when Garcia fought them. Expect Garcia to get treated like a child by Spence. Afterward he will want to fight some "tuneups" until he can make a fight with a 40 year old Pac.

[JonDP]

Neither one of them can punch. Both have serious flaws. Lipinets has heart and activity with little skill. Broner has skill with little heart(He quit vs Porter and Garcia) and low activity(weight gain, alcohol/drug abuse). Have you watched Broner's fights post Maidana? Broner made his name beating bums at 130 where he had a massive size advantage. Please tell me one credible opponent he has beat at 140/147. Lipinets and Maidana were both cherry picked opponents. Not a single person had either one of them ranked at the top of 140 when Garcia fought them. Expect Garcia to get treated like a child by Spence. Afterward he will want to fight some "tuneups" until he can make a fight with a 40 year old Pac.

Wait a sec Garcia never fought Maidana what is that about?
Garcia vs Spence will be competitive. You guys better get used to the idea before you fall flat on your face

[Mexican_Puppet]

Only notable win on Mikey's resume is Broner, problem is Broner has pretty much lost every step up fight he's had. He's basically Zab Judah 2.0

Mikey has simply past up too many great fights in his prime to face less than notable opposition from Gamboa, Linares, Loma, Pacquiao and Crawford.

Salido is way, way, better than Broner