Is Luis Ortiz the greatest myth in boxing history?

[j.razor]

refusing to fight a 40 year old man?

so, its ...NOT HIM, its EVERYONE ELSE syndrome is it?

Denial can be a sickness..

[DreamFighter]

No heavyweight today is "elite" so what difference does it make?

Thats a spot on post,I might have wrote that myself once. Though since then its arguable that a handful are trying to become elite - joshua springs to mind.

[j.razor]

The clown has fought noone before being gifted a shot by weak transient titlist wilder so wilder can hold onto the title for longer than he'd normally.

Weak & lame excuses ^

[j.razor]

He’s quite good, probably.

Joe Joyce has called him out. Fight him.

He already said he would but Joyce's team has no interest as of now.

[DreamFighter]

Right, for us to see

Right so you believe a man in his forties idles his time on social media.

Its his media agent doing it.

But my point being that booohaaa what a show of masculine bravado, writing something on social media.

[DreamFighter]

Weak & lame excuses ^

if it was an excsue, but it wasnt.

[billeau2]

Yeah I know. I understand full well why Luis Ortiz can't get opponents. Being in the "who needs him" club is essentially the same as saying "high risk, low reward".

I agree with you. Ortiz has just become a bit of a lightning rod... A man who is easy to dress up so to speak: We have ortiz the gate keeper, a man who is older, runs out of gas a little too soon, but can drop you faster than a Cuban sandwich on a panini grill if you make a mistake!

Then we have Ortiz the Cuban Prodigy who just cannot get a break, a man to be avoided at all costs because of the risk to reward category.

And there is Ortiz the new Cindarella man, like Braddock we say he is past it, he gets in against a fearsome puncher, much like Max Bauer, and ALMOST pulls it off! This is significant. Most people seem more angry at Ortiz than complimentary. He almost upset Wilder and if he had we would all perhaps be singing a different tune now.

So which is it? To me its a bit of all... If one looks at Cuban heavyweights in recent years, they tend to come over past their best work... they are such a quick study that they do very well and one can forget that they are modifying many components of their game to fight professionally. Unlike many exposed young fighters, these guys all seem to have skills. Odinare Solis is another one... They also seem at times to just fall short, and then people tend to want to just junk them.

But I would ask people what group of fighters has been more consistant than Cuban fighters when it comes to performance at the elite level of professional boxing? There is only room for so many at the absolute pinacle of the division. How many decent fighters did Ortiz, Solis, Gonzalez, etc beat?

[GhostofDempsey]

This is what I've been saying all along. How can a fighter be regarded so highly when he hadn't had one signature win on his resume prior to fighting Wilder? He was made out to be this boogeyman who was plowing through an already weak division. Epitome of hype-job. He gasses out after 8 rounds and has no stamina.

[JSN006]

Dont have the time will or energy to reply individually to idiots who dksab. Ortiz is an amazing hw, and thats at 40yo. You keep mentioning 2 bad performances he had where he was dominant in one and finished it anyway (allen) and one where he still got a bunch of kds against a guy who clearly just wanted to run a marathon (scott). Fact is ortiz is a great fighter and wilder is lucky to have survived that 7th round. You guys are part of the problem when your only reasoning is 'he has nothing to offer' (false anyways) and 'muh he had off nights'. Great fighter, and the fact no one wants to fight him says volumes about him. Whyte was offered the fight and ran to chisora, fwiw. To call ortiz overhyped or a myth when the fact is his skills are arguably the best in the hw division right now (all round skills including power too, not just a herky jerky defensive skill like fury) and talent like him and aj are one in a million in the hw division and he will be talked about and remembered for years to come when he retires. So enjoy him while you can and push for a fight between him and joshua if you really want to see great exciting fights. I remember a time when the best fought the best and it wasnt excuses and what has he got to offer and bla bla. Sadly that time is over.

[j.razor]

Do they win an "I dispelled the myth" T Shirt for doing it?

He's a dangerous fighter.

Say, for example, Dillian Whyte takes him on, which is about the biggest fight Ortiz could hope for right now. If Whyte wins everyone will say Ortiz is shot - two losses the only time he ever really stepped up in quality. If Ortiz wins, that's Whyte's title hopes cooked.

Why would Whyte do it?

Fighters outside the top 5 face the same issue. There are easier fights for more credibility. In many cases there are easier fights for a hell of a lot more money too.

It's not ducking if the fights simply don't make sense.

I wonder if someone like Parker might see him as the sort of scalp he needs to rebuild his career? But, again, would you pick Ortiz if you were one fight away from top level irrelevance?

Whyte ducked King Kong..I would fight Ortiz cuz he is in the Top 5. Maybe its just me or we have too many b1tches here.