Is Luis Ortiz the greatest myth in boxing history?

[Laligalaliga]

Anyway this 'he doesnt bring anything' talk is the same non productive rubbish ducking talk as always, fact is ortiz is top5 and i would rather watch him fight aj or rematch wilder than pitter pat fury or some can. Not like the division is on fire with elite guys. Prospects and contenders sure, but quality guys few and far in between. Imho if you think ortiz doesnt deserve a title shot compared to the endless nobodies who got a title shot before him, going by the same consistent agenda we have seen before, or as a hardcore fan you dont wanna see him against top 5 or top ten guys before he retires, something is wrong with you. And if you think he is overrated? Lmao something is seriously dead in your head. Im outta here cuz verbally spanking casuals and people who seem to know less about boxing than my 2 year old niece is way too easy on this forum.

Dnt be a lunatic on this forum. Ortiz got his title shot and got KTFO.
What else do you want? Give him a belt out of sympathy? Are you sure you are okay?

[Curtis Harper]

Who says Ortiz is great ?

[Laligalaliga]

You are right about one thing at least. See, you are not such a mentally crippled monkey after all

Sadly, with guys like hearn around, fans have zero say anymore nowadays. Its not 50/50 fans/business today, its 100% money money money. We can thank floyd for that 'protect your 0 at all mfin cost' mentality too.

Hahahaha.... What a monkey you are.
At least you reasoned like a human being this time.
Every management has a plan for their fighters, meaning every fighter has to be valuable to get decent fights or eat scrubs on the undercards.

[Laligalaliga]

Top level fights for ortiz

Wilder, joshua, fury, parker, whyte, miller, wladimir (rumor he may be back), povetkin, pulev.

Good stay busy and even hard fights with decent enough guys who are veterans or well experienced and can give him rounds and/or a 6'6+ bodytype with some movement and footwork

Helenius, dinitrenko, takam, ruiz, joyce, kownacki, chisora, spong, breazeale, ugonoh, charles martin, price, fedosov, kuzmin

So who amongst these names has Ortiz fought?
Offer ugonoh/martin/takam $500k and they are in the ring waiting your arrival.

What stops his management from getting these fight?

[JSN006]

stop blabbing. tell me in plain words his achievements not all this rubbish, am not interested in all that.
To the best of my knowledge, he was still active when all the belts were vacant and had no champ.
Once again, tell me his achievements or get the fvvk off you **** sucker.

300+ amateur fights with nearly all wins. Only one loss on pro record, only guy to seriously nearly finish wilder in the pros and to smash jennings in that fashion, only the great wlad couldnt even do it himself. Now you tell me what arreola washington martin szpilka molina breazeale have thats so great and how exactly they didnt skip the line and earned the shot? You are the one dodging hard questions and just going around them and being extremely contradictory because those guys had nothing to offer either, didnt really bring in big numbers, were undercard fighters too .... and newsflash, not everyone in pro boxing has a gold medal, let alone a bronze one. You make it sound like everyone who dont have it is utter crap. 300+ amateur fights with multiple cuban tourneys and playa girons is still impressive as hell. You have double standards and dumb baseless arguments, which read out as ducksauce. Ortiz more than deserves a title shot IF other street sweepers and nobodies and vastly inferior fighters to him got it for no apparent reason. I'll watch as you somehow dodge all this relevant logical information and come up with your same old schtick. You are a typical modern age 'boxing fan', ******ed and spouting out the same recycled crap promoters say when they want to duck someone

[JSN006]

Hahahaha.... What a monkey you are.
At least you reasoned like a human being this time.
Every management has a plan for their fighters, meaning every fighter has to be valuable to get decent fights or eat scrubs on the undercards.

What was so valuable about molina and arreola when they fought wilder? Answer the question, dont dodge it.

I will bet anything you were the typical casual saying ortiz was great before the wilder fight and then when wilder beat him after a tough fight he became crap and overrated to you. Ps for 'just an undercard fighter' demanding and making 500k in his last 2 fights is not bad at all. Sure he seems to have some value, his stock went up after the wilder effort.

[Earl-Hickey]

So who amongst these names has Ortiz fought?
Offer ugonoh/martin/takam $500k and they are in the ring waiting your arrival.

What stops his management from getting these fight?

100

everyone is too "scared" to fight ortiz, except for malik scott and dave allen apparently

[DreamFighter]

I don't know what your talking about but would you like to see Aj fight D.Wilder and Ortiz?

a fight with a man in his forties iwth no title pedigree would be disgusting.

A unification would be great.

[Jax teller]

300+ amateur fights with nearly all wins. Only one loss on pro record, only guy to seriously nearly finish wilder in the pros and to smash jennings in that fashion, only the great wlad couldnt even do it himself. Now you tell me what arreola washington martin szpilka molina breazeale have thats so great and how exactly they didnt skip the line and earned the shot? You are the one dodging hard questions and just going around them and being extremely contradictory because those guys had nothing to offer either, didnt really bring in big numbers, were undercard fighters too .... and newsflash, not everyone in pro boxing has a gold medal, let alone a bronze one. You make it sound like everyone who dont have it is utter crap. 300+ amateur fights with multiple cuban tourneys and playa girons is still impressive as hell. You have double standards and dumb baseless arguments, which read out as ducksauce. Ortiz more than deserves a title shot IF other street sweepers and nobodies and vastly inferior fighters to him got it for no apparent reason. I'll watch as you somehow dodge all this relevant logical information and come up with your same old schtick. You are a typical modern age 'boxing fan', ******ed and spouting out the same recycled crap promoters say when they want to duck someone

You're a typical Wilder fanboy rating guys that beat up loads of bums ten levels below rating quantitiy over quality. Ortiz only won 1/5 Cuban national Championships losing to different guys and never qualified for the Cuban Olympic team even, his amateur days are mediocre for a fighter who is supposed to be elite to say the least, compare him to Rigo thats actually impressive 475 fights 12L, 2 Olympic Golds and 7 national championship wins.

He's a good fighter no doubt about it but the hype has got out of hand especially after some perfomances.

On being the only guy to nearly stop is that surprising looking at Wilders resume the fact that there is no other top big hitters on there and to top it off Wilder has been dropped in fights twice one counted by judges one not counted so he's not really the 'only guy'.

[SeGoodland]

As a group then its D.Wilder, Fury, Ortiz, Joshua & ?.

Ortiz isn't included in terms of his massive size. I am taller and heavier than he is so does that make me 'elite'?

I'm certainly not 'elite elite' though...that's another level.