Comments Thread For: One Fight In, Is Canelo's Contract Already Problem For DAZN?

[Scipio2009]

"De La Hoya told the Los Angeles Times for a story posted to its website Thursday that Alvarez will not fight Gennady Golovkin or Daniel Jacobs on May 4...

Same goes for Jacobs, who, like Golovkin, is a platform free agent. Jacobs’ promotional contract with Hearn’s Matchroom Boxing USA also has expired.

If Jacobs can’t get an Alvarez fight next, he, too, will have to seriously consider offers from Arum and Haymon."

OK, the stars are aligned! Danny come back home to the PBC! Matter of fact, be ringside in the Barclay's next Saturday night, and as Lil' Duval says "Let's start this thing off right..."

Danny Jacobs vs. Jermall Charlo for the IBF Middleweight title! MAN UP! Time is now! J.Razor...Here we go!

Would be something if we actually do see Canelo- Charlo in May, lol

[Scipio2009]

Great question! I don't think anyone expected Canelo to get $365 million just like that. He'll certainly have to keep winning and looking good for it to pay off. Which is another why this is such a pivotal moment in his career. We might very well see Canelo's best fights in this stage of his career because he has to live up to the lucrative contract he signed.

But the question of who will select his opponents is a good one. I don't know if there are pro wrestling fans here but for example WWE's Smackdown just signed a deal with FOX for about a $1 billion. Word is that now FOX is wanting to influence the direction of the show. So the WWE might very well acquiesce because of how much money FOX has invested. So the same can be asked about Canelo and Golden Boy. Will DAZN be an influence on the product outside of simply streaming it?

Sincerely doubt that FOX will be looking to pick who they want as WWE Champion, but they'll likely want the show to be presented a certain kind of way, which is something they've earned by laying out a billion dollars (or whatever the amount was).

Have read that FOX wants to present SmackDown as more sport than entertainment in the "sports entertainment" divide, but that should be able to be done without drastically changing the WWE's creative process for SmackDown

[Scipio2009]

Whether you love or hate Canelo, it just seems a bad idea to let a boxer(/his promoter) pick his own opponents with a high guarantee. Very few boxers are going to chase high risk guys every time out in that situation.

When I first started posting here 3427 years ago I remember it was seen that the big positive of HBO was that they had most of the big names, but the big negative is that they had certain rights/output deals with promoters that meant meh fights got made because the promoter knew they were getting paid either way. An advantage of Showtime was they just went for certain fights that made sense and so they had a lot of entertaining fights between guys who weren't huge names.

Now we have Hearn, Haymon, Arum, GBP all with output deals and while the cash injection into the sport should be a good thing it seems the overall change is promoters/managers having more power than the TV/stream companies which might not mean better fights getting made.

There's definitely nuance to such a deal, but it can work out if the incentives are properly aligned. Floyd got his $250m guaranteed, and proceeded to do everything that was asked of him because CBS/Showtime secured his future and both would gain on the upside from making the event as big as possible for PPV.

Fights are messier to make with the Haymon-affiliated side, but having the fighters/managers and the networks all sharing in the upside on the fights, you end up getting the big fights made without too much hassle.

The Canelo/DAZN deal is different, in the sense that I'm not entirely sure how DAZN wins here; unless the deal could potentially be worth $365m over the 11 fights, but the actual deal pays Alvarez something like $15m guaranteed, another $5m for reaching some expected threshold, with extra funds going to Alvarez based on how much he exceeds the threshold.

On the surface, the incentives don't make sense.

[Bronx2245]

How does that pot get split, though?

Charlo is owed his shot at the WBC title, and as much as Oscar may want to fight David Lemieux, the WBC is unlikely to just let that happen, especially after giving him that extra voluntary to fight Fielding.

The Charlo twin bill is in Brooklyn, and Daniel Jacobs lives in Brooklyn so he should pull up. Beyond that, Christmas time in New York has a far better chance of seeing snow than LA, so why not see if Golovkin can pull up too, 😂.

In a similar way to what they did with the Wilder fight, why not try to have as many currently viable middleweights (Sanders, Derevyanchenko, Brant, Sulecki, etc) and former champions (Pavlik, Maravilla, Iran Barkley, etc) at the event too.

Jermall Charlo gets his WBC shot, you set the stage for Jacobs-Golovkin (even if that means both get stay busy fights), and then you get the other fights.

I think Canelo fights Andrade @ 160, or Lemieux at 168! I would think the WBC would do whatever Canelo asks! In fact, Jacobs vs. Charlo would actually help them out, because Canelo remains champ! I really am not concerned with Canelo, I just want Jacobs vs. Charlo at the Barclay's!

[Bronx2245]

Would be something if we actually do see Canelo- Charlo in May, lol

Canelo vs. Charlo in Texas, for Cinco de Mayo Weekend, would be HUGE, but I don't see DAZN and PBC doing any business, anytime soon! Canelo vs. Andrade in Las Vegas, is much more likely, since they're both with DAZN! That's still a unification fight, which let's Canelo keep that strap!

[Dasmius Shinobi]

Yeah, I'm still lost on the part where this thing can actually generate money. I'm beginning to think DAZN might just be a vehicle created by the people behind the endeavor to pull off some financial shenanigans with the ostensible purpose being mere window dressing. I kind of wonder the same thing about the WBSS.

I have a feeling something not add up here. Also I heard and read that people game DAZN, paying one month and then cancel, when another event appear they pay another month and then cancel again because they don't chain you with a contract. I don't know If this apply to all the current countries who have the DAZN service. paying and canceling all the time is not consistent vs one who have DAZN the entire year.

[Removed Now]

Not a clue how they got these figures but apparently even cricket is 3 times more popular, f#uck knows how.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/...the-world.html

You forget Countries like China have started buying popular football players for hundreds of millions for there developing their own super league. It also growing in America andall the developing countries and continents mentioned above as well as proven by more African nation's being competitive in the World Cup and the decision to increase it from 32 teams to 48 for the next tournament.

I keep forgetting how popular tennis is but I wouldn't count it as a team sport. Is horse racing big world wide ? It's crazy to think a sport in one place is big and in another country it's dead. Like **** fighting is huge.

[!! Shawn]

I imagine if they are trying to sell subscriptions, they are either planning to have soft touches all the way for canelo to keep their investment safe for 11 fights, or more likely, they want him in a tough out every time, to make people want to sign up.

Id be wagering that instead of the version of events that is being put forth in this article, that DAZN is forcing the issue, and that is why Oscar doesn't have an answer for who it will be, but he is trying to publicly say who he doesn't want it to be to try and pressure for softer touches.

They can make money on Canelos fights, but they want him to bring in subscriptions, nobody is subscribing to see him fight Feilding.

[!! Shawn]

There's definitely nuance to such a deal, but it can work out if the incentives are properly aligned. Floyd got his $250m guaranteed, and proceeded to do everything that was asked of him because CBS/Showtime secured his future and both would gain on the upside from making the event as big as possible for PPV.

Fights are messier to make with the Haymon-affiliated side, but having the fighters/managers and the networks all sharing in the upside on the fights, you end up getting the big fights made without too much hassle.

The Canelo/DAZN deal is different, in the sense that I'm not entirely sure how DAZN wins here; unless the deal could potentially be worth $365m over the 11 fights, but the actual deal pays Alvarez something like $15m guaranteed, another $5m for reaching some expected threshold, with extra funds going to Alvarez based on how much he exceeds the threshold.

On the surface, the incentives don't make sense.

Im pretty sure they are viewing Canelo as a loss leader, they are willing to lose money on the deal, but are banking on him bringing in enough subscribers that they spread the world and it will all end up being profitable through the future.

[Bardamu]

I'm not a fan of Hearn. I usually root for the PBC fighters.

But I'm not gonna lie, I am honestly rooting hard for DAZN to succeed. I hope they get enough subscribers to sign PBC in 4 years. And ppvs will be dead. Wouldn't that be great? Everyone but Top Rank on the same network? On a network with no ppvs? I know, its probably just a boxing fans' dream, but dang, that would be awesome. It would be like hbo was 20 years ago. Except without any ppvs.