Eddie Hearn "Are We Running Or Begging Deontay Wilder?"

[Sid-Knee]

Wilder-Fury did alright on PPV, Wilder-Fury 2 will likely do better on PPV, and even if the Joshua fight doesn't happen after that, Wilder-Ortiz is viable for PPV.

Three fights into his PPV run, with each of the events being profitable, and Deontay Wilder sets in as a PPV fighter (depending on where the fight is staged; matinee/early morning fights simply won't be PPV, so anything staged in Europe/Asia).

We both know Wilder flops on PPV if he isn't fighting Fury or Joshua. Behave yourself. Ortiz won't do anything for him. It will sell about 80-100,000 tops. Wilder will get a little bit more money from it, but nothing to shout about or anything that will allow him to believe he's worth a big % against Joshua.

[Sid-Knee]

Wilder has unfinished business with Fury. Princess Joshua will have to wait on the sidelines until the real men at heavyweight settle their score.

But Joshua is ducking doe. Haha.

Wilder has the chance for undisputed, it's on the table. One face, one name and all of that. But he's choosing instead to swerve Joshua.

You couldn't make this up.

[Jax teller]

Actually I disagree with Wilder this time, I don't want him to rematch Fury straight away.

I wish that he would fight AJ because it's a more entertaining fight, and I believe he can win.

And right now, he actually has some leverage because Hearn is desperate to get that WBC belt before Fury. If he loses to Fury in a rematch, AJ vs. Wilder probably never happens. If he loses to AJ, Fury would probably still give him the rematch further down the line.

As an AJ fan I will say I agree good post, respectable reasoning from you, it's all about seeing the best fights.

AJ would benefit from getting in the mix sooner rather than later and Wilder can use this and if Wilders confident then he could plan to rematch Fury as undisputed to make it an even bigger fight.

[EnglishOxide]

It's pretty ****ing weird that a fighter turns down $50m guaranteed on a fight when the earth-shattering purse in his home market topped out at $45m, for both guys to split.

Wilder has zero reason to short himself a nickel at this point, so it's odd to see Joshua short himself $20m/£14.25m and his fans cheering him on to do so

When you consider that Ortiz was getting robbed by judges and Fury got robbed by judges it's easy to see why AJ turned down that offer, if it was ever even legit.

British boxers like Bruno and Benn publically urged Joshua not to fight there and their judgement has proven correct.

When Joshua is the A side and #1 then that shot is his to call.

[Scipio2009]

Misses the point. Joshua can pull big numbers fighting anyone. Wilder needed a Fury or Joshua to get people to watch.

That's his pull. Prior to Fury, it was minimal. He's now known to the general public so he'll get numbers... Though he's incredibly fortunate to even still be in the equation thanks to the scoring.

The durability of "Joshua can pull big numbers fighting anyone" will be tested now that the British casual audience has another top British heavyweight, with a great story to tell, who has yet to back out of a fight.

The Povetkin fight didn't sell out Wembley, and I doubt that the Dillian Whyte rematch sells out Wembley either (after getting knocked out in their first fight, has Dillian Whyte honestly done anything to make you think that he'd have a better chance in a second fight?).

Making $25m per fight is cool, but there's not much growth from that to go ($45m is basically the UK cap, that was for the Klitschko fight, and no one of that caliber is fighting for free; $30m-$35m is likely Joshua's ceiling).

Wilder and Fury just split seemingly $25m-$30m on their first fight, the rematch will likely push passed $45m, and the Ortiz rematch after that will likely get to that $25m-$30m range.

Win those two fights, and Wilder is set on his own PPV fiefdom; likely starting at $30m for Wilder-TBA, but set to grow to $100m and more if he keeps winning.

[Scipio2009]

After everything has been shared around, Wilder will be lucky to see half of 15 Mill. 7-8 Mill max. But Eddie is offering 20 Mill now which is a lot more than the first offer. Outside of the Fury rematch, Wilder will be making what he did before that fight. There will be no more big money fights if he doesn't take Joshua on. If he's happy to keep on running and pricing himself out of the fight, then that's on him. AJ will just move on with his career. But Wilder stans will have to stop all this coward talk directed at Joshua because he's done all he can to get this fight on without success.

The percentage should be no more than 35% for Wilder. He didn't make that money due to his name, it was both he AND Fury. In fact, Fury did all of the promoting. All Wilder did was look a fool. So it's all down to Fury. Put Wilder in one of his usual fights on PPV and it flops hard. He hasn't all of a sudden become a PPV fighter, it has to do with his dance partner. Without one, Wilder goes back to the paydays he was getting before the Fury fight. So it's entirely up to him.

You have been parroting the same line on this account and your alt account, without ever even hinting at a source as to where you got that information, lol.

Eddie Hearn has already publicly said that he believes that Joshua-Wilder might be able to clear $45m from Wembley Arena.

$20m from a $45m pot would put Wilder's share at nearly 45%!

It's simple math, yet you can't sell to get it straight, lol

[Scipio2009]

We both know Wilder flops on PPV if he isn't fighting Fury or Joshua. Behave yourself. Ortiz won't do anything for him. It will sell about 80-100,000 tops. Wilder will get a little bit more money from it, but nothing to shout about or anything that will allow him to believe he's worth a big % against Joshua.

Wilder-Fury drew 320k PPV buys (plus the folks who bought the PPV directly from Showtime; would not shock me if the total US number ended up being near 375k), and Wilder-Fury 2, based on the good fight and things still being unsettled, is expected to sell significantly more PPVs than the first fight.

Wilder-Ortiz was a good fight that drew well on Showtime, both fighters have continued on fighting will, and the rematch (after the two Fury PPVs) is still a viable tough and even fight. Ortiz not speaking English will hurt the promotional opportunities, but the fight likely sells 300k buys anyway.

The fact that you think that Deontay Wilder's 10th heavyweight title defense, in a rematch of a 50/50 defense that he won by KO after being seriously hurt, is supposed to draw sub 100k buys is hilarious.

[Scipio2009]

When you consider that Ortiz was getting robbed by judges and Fury got robbed by judges it's easy to see why AJ turned down that offer, if it was ever even legit.

British boxers like Bruno and Benn publically urged Joshua not to fight there and their judgement has proven correct.

When Joshua is the A side and #1 then that shot is his to call.

Did you see the Takam fight, lol? Why in the world would anyone go to the UK, on way less money than the fight is worth, to bother with homer refereeing and British stoppages, and dubious scoring? lol.

Didn't dwell on the scoring for the Ortiz fight, but the Fury score was only suspect because Rocin missed by a round.

6-6, 7-5 Fury, and 8-4 Fury were all viable scores (there'd be a major argument over where you found Fury activity to score it 9-3 Fury or 7-5 Wilder, and you're about as blind as a bat if you scored the fight 10-2 Fury).

With Wilder looking to knock everyone out, and Joshua looking to knock everyone out, you're crying too much about a judge, tbh.

A-side/B-side talk is cool and all, but this is still prizefighting we're talking about. Leaving $20m-$25m on the table is stupid.

The split is determined, and then everyone involved does their best to maximize the money made on the event; Cotto and Canelo had their split determined, New York wanted to pay more to host the fight that what Vegas had on offer, Canelo didn't want to go to New York, so he agreed to pay Cotto the equivalent of what he would've gotten from the site fee in New York out of the site fee in Las Vegas.

Wilder-Joshua was supposed to be a $100m fight in Las Vegas (projections are projection, but Haymon/Finkell/DiBella were willing to put up $60m-$70m of guaranteed money); the pie in the UK may get to $45m, lol.

Pay Wilder what he's worth, and Joshua can short himself to keep the fight at home if he wants.

[EnglishOxide]

Pay Wilder what he's worth, and Joshua can short himself to keep the fight at home if he wants.

Wilder is worth no more than $12m. We just seen it in 'the biggest HW fight in 15 years' he only earned $12m max.

He turned down $15m for Joshua first time round and it looks like he's leaving $20m on the table this time round if he fights Fury again.

[Toffee]

I wouldn't worry about the judges for a Joshua/Wilder fight.

WBC can just fill them out prior to the fight again. They won't be needed.