Eddie Hearn "Are We Running Or Begging Deontay Wilder?"

[Scipio2009]

You have to realize that most people are sheep. If Wilder says that AJ is ducking, then he's ducking. No matter how many times AJ and Hearn offer life changing contracts to Wilder, the are still somehow ducking just because Wilder says so hahaha. It's stupid. In one week Wilder has said that AJ is ducking, now he is begging and next week it'll be something else and his idiot fans will lap it up and repeat every stupid thing that he says. What they won't say is that Wilder really lost the fight and got a gift decision though...

Except that it's not life changing, in that Wilder has likely already made what was offered running his own show with Tyson Fury, lol (with likely double Hearn's offer on the rematch).

$50m guaranteed against 50% (if the fight launches) is actually spectacular money and a life-changing opportunity, Anthony Joshua won't get near that on a fight on his own, yet people are ignoring that Joshua walked away, lol.

Wilder got a gift decision? Cool; he and Fury will have the rematch during Spring 2018, stage the event wherever the money is biggest for everyone, and likely end up splitting at least $40m-$50m between the two of them.

[Scipio2009]

What I don’t get is why has it taken AJ until now to come out and talk. Before he kept saying he didn’t like to talk about it, now all of a sudden he’s openly actively talking about it.

Those are actions of a man who knows he could get frozen out

Too little too late now

Because Whyte-Chisora is next week, the winner of that fight likely has a terms sheet already agreed to, and the US media (who then inform the fans) could give less than two ****s about was Anthony Joshua not fight Wilder or Fury.

After the momentum that'd been slowly built up in the US, few saw the Povetkin fight, few will see or care about the Whyte/Chisora fight, and the Kubrat Pulev fight is due after that (if the Wilder unification fight doesn't happen).

Was too late once they tried that Povetkin bait/switch, TBH.

[Scipio2009]

20 mil? I doubt it, when a rematch will be 50/50.

Regardless of opponent? He can't make more than 5 without Fury or Joshua.

... with the fight doing the business that it did on PPV (325k buys, before counting any that were sold directly by Showtime), plus the rest of the indicators from the event, Wilder and Fury likely split $25m-$30m once everything is counted and shared.

[Scipio2009]

20 mil? I doubt it, when a rematch will be 50/50.

Regardless of opponent? He can't make more than 5 without Fury or Joshua.

... with the fight doing the business that it did on PPV (325k buys, before counting any that were sold directly by Showtime), plus the rest of the indicators from the event, Wilder and Fury likely split $25m-$30m once everything is counted and shared.

[Toffee]

-350k buys in the US (traditional PPV channels plus the direct Showtime sales) puts basically $12m into the pot.

-350k buys on BT Sport Box Office in the UK (simply assuming that the event gets split the exact same way in the UK) puts the equivalent of another $5m into the pot [a steep lowball of the actual number, but whatever]

-Staples Center drew $3.5m at the live gate. Event sponsors, merch, concessions, etc on the even, pay the expenses, and you've likely got another $2m into the pot from the live event.

Nickel and dime out the rest of the pieces, this nobody and Tyson Fury likely cleared $30m on their fight, with the hype for their rematch making clearing $50m possible. lol

The rematch with Tyson Fury is going to be Wilder's 9th title defense, with the fight after that (be it Joshua, Breazeale, or Ortiz) being defense #10 (longevity of a reign having value too).

Folks just don't know, and it's pretty hilarious.

Misses the point. Joshua can pull big numbers fighting anyone. Wilder needed a Fury or Joshua to get people to watch.

That's his pull. Prior to Fury, it was minimal. He's now known to the general public so he'll get numbers... Though he's incredibly fortunate to even still be in the equation thanks to the scoring.

[Sid-Knee]

So a young rising contender, who has never won a world title before, works his way up to the #1 ranking in the most respected organization, waits for his mandatory title shot, and wins in a near shut out. And you complain that he was "ducking" a different champion, who fought on a different network, without having any idea whether that champion's organizations had any willingness to move Wilder up the rankings? You're being absolutely ridiculous.




Finkel said Wilder needed two quick defenses, and sure enough, he scheduled two quick defenses. When he said that, Klitschko had already signed to fight Jennings on HBO. So how can Wilder, a Showtime fighter, duck Wladimir, an HBO fighter, when Wladimir already signed to fight a different opponent before Wilder ever got his title shot? Doesn't make any sense.

Finkel handled both Wladimir and Wilder. Finkel was going to make the fight in 2016 once Wladimir's HBO contract had expired. It's not Wilder's fault Wladimir got upset by Fury.

Deontay had plenty of fights before he fought for a title. It's not like he only had a handful of fights, so stop making excuses for him. You can duck fights whether you've got a title or not.

Exactly. Finkle didn't want to fight Wlad straight away. But here you are making more excuses for Deontay.

Got nothing to say about the video of Wilder saying he wouldn't fight Wlad until 2017? You brushing over it makes me think you saw the video yourself. Hell, it was probably you who took it down.

[Sid-Knee]

Good thing he doesn't need to make serious money outside of a Fury fight then!

Wilder vs Fury II coming next year. In the US. Where Wilder will make more money than currently being offered by Hearn to fight Joshua in the UK.

It's a no brainer. Take less money to fight in the UK or more money to fight in the US? Easy decision. That's why Hearn is being ignored.

You don't even know how much money Deontay would make in the rematch. You're just guessing. The Joshua fight is guaranteed money.

And after Wilder has fought Fury should he win? What is he going to do for a big payday if he doesn't fight Joshua?

[Sid-Knee]

He woudn't need to make moves if he just, you know, took the $50M. He saw Wilder look a bit vulnerable against Fury and the limey coward suddenly grew some balls. Pathetic.

I love the way you b1tches keep on mentioning the 50 Mill even though it's been debunked plenty of times. But it's OK, you people are deeply insecure so need something to make yourselves feel better after Fury beat him and made him come out with all those ridiculous excuses making an even bigger tit of himself. Haha.

The deal is on the table but Wilder keeps on running. Wilder himself said Joshua is desperate for the fight. But no, he's too scared. Just like he always was.

[Pigeons]

I love the way you b1tches keep on mentioning the 50 Mill even though it's been debunked plenty of times. But it's OK, you people are deeply insecure so need something to make yourselves feel better after Fury beat him and made him come out with all those ridiculous excuses making an even bigger tit of himself. Haha.

The deal is on the table but Wilder keeps on running. Wilder himself said Joshua is desperate for the fight. But no, he's too scared. Just like he always was.

Wilder has unfinished business with Fury. Princess Joshua will have to wait on the sidelines until the real men at heavyweight settle their score.

[Sid-Knee]

From what's been put out into the public, a 60/40 Joshua split on the fight would've had things made in the Fall 2018 and Wilder's frustration with the moving goal posts had him wanting 50/50 or no fight after he moved on (no concrete detail but I'm fairly certain that Wilder's management could convince him to take 60/40 Joshua if that was the offer).

Eddie Hearn's highest public offer has been for $15m, but he's recently gone with a new tact of talking up that he's offered a percentage, without ever even disclosing a ballpark for what that offered percentage was (Note: Joseph Parker allegedly got 30%-33% on his Joshua fight).

The clearest sign that whatever Hearn has offered isn't much of anything to bother with is that everyone in Wilder's camp is focused elsewhere.

Nothing from Haymon (lol), nothing from Finkell, nothing from DiBella, nothing from Deas, nothing from Wilder.

Everyone is focused on the Fury rematch, with Wilder giving backhanded acknowledgement to Joshua in the near term (325k on the US PPV, who knows how many more were purchased directly from Showtime, $3.5m at the live gate, who knows how many purchased the fight on BT Sport Box Office, and the other revenue streams likely ends up with the two splitting at least $25m, with the rematch possibly doubling that).

$15m to fight on Anthony Joshua's date, in Anthony Joshua's venue, on Anthony Joshua's broadcaster, and on Anthony Joshua's US broadcaster (that relatively few have picked up) makes far less sense after making maybe $15m in the US, negotiating a fair share on everything and likely having that number double for the rematch.

After everything has been shared around, Wilder will be lucky to see half of 15 Mill. 7-8 Mill max. But Eddie is offering 20 Mill now which is a lot more than the first offer. Outside of the Fury rematch, Wilder will be making what he did before that fight. There will be no more big money fights if he doesn't take Joshua on. If he's happy to keep on running and pricing himself out of the fight, then that's on him. AJ will just move on with his career. But Wilder stans will have to stop all this coward talk directed at Joshua because he's done all he can to get this fight on without success.

The percentage should be no more than 35% for Wilder. He didn't make that money due to his name, it was both he AND Fury. In fact, Fury did all of the promoting. All Wilder did was look a fool. So it's all down to Fury. Put Wilder in one of his usual fights on PPV and it flops hard. He hasn't all of a sudden become a PPV fighter, it has to do with his dance partner. Without one, Wilder goes back to the paydays he was getting before the Fury fight. So it's entirely up to him.