Comments Thread For: Lineage Matters Most at Heavyweight

[Robbie Barrett]

Joshua will never be recognized as #1 until he grows some balls and fights and beats the top guys. The top guys are clearly fury, wilder, ortiz.

He's already universally recognised. everyone has him #1.

[Robbie Barrett]

Not according to Ring it's not. Who are you to tell us what Ring believes? Ring says you're wrong. I already posted the link where Ring stripped Fury and said they were separating the Ring title from the lineal title.

So if Ring itself is insisting Ring and lineal are two different things, who are you to say otherwise?

Fury isn't recognised as lineal by anyone. Ring says they're the closest thing to a lineal.

Trying to nit pick and deflect. NONE recognise Fury. They all agree he's not lineal.

[N/A]

He's already universally recognised. everyone has him #1.

Yes, definitely. Myself included. Nobody should dispute that Joshua deserves to be ranked #1.

Just as nobody should dispute that Wilder deserves to be ranked #2.

The question is, why haven't they fought each other? In these situations, it's always the A-side that is more reluctant than the B-side. For obvious reasons.

So the issue becomes, why can't the A-side's fans be honest that he has more incentive to stall the fight? Just like Canelo did with GGG.

[aboutfkntime]

Joshua's (or anyone else's) supposed ranking, will not help him beat Wilder, nor will it help him beat Fury..... both of whom would be live dogs

rankings will matter little in that fight, so they do not matter period

whilst there are questions..... supposed rankings based on (insert irrelevant factors here), simply do not matter

everyone had Golovkin ranked number 1, that did not help him

the wankings..... ooops, I mean..... rankings, are.....

#1 Joshua/Wilder/Fury (any order) because nobody knows who will win those fights

#2 whoever

when Klitschko was doing his thing, it was correct to rank him number 1 for this reason..... there was daylight between him and the #2 Povetkin..... and there was daylight between Povetkin and everyone else..... that is not the case with Joshua, Wilder, or Fury

those fights need to happen, until then..... rankings are irrelevant..... why the fcuk would someone be interested in current heavyweight rankings, when they don't even know who would win those fights? LMAO..... rankings serve no purpose whatsoever, and any such debate is simply arguing over semantics

[GhostofDempsey]

Lineal doesn't mean shyt. It meant something when there was one belt in each division and one champion. Today, it means little to nothing. Here is a list of fighters who were lineal champions:

Shannon Briggs
Hasim Rahman
Jean Pascal
Jermain Taylor
Kelly Pavlik
Ricardo Mayorga
Carlos Baldomir
Yasutsune Euhara

Those are just a few examples of fighters who have been lineal champions. Hardly a list of ATGs or best of their respective divisions.

[aboutfkntime]

Lineal doesn't mean shyt. It meant something when there was one belt in each division and one champion. Today, it means little to nothing. Here is a list of fighters who were lineal champions:

Shannon Briggs
Hasim Rahman
Jean Pascal
Jermain Taylor
Kelly Pavlik
Ricardo Mayorga
Carlos Baldomir
Yasutsune Euhara

Those are just a few examples of fighters who have been lineal champions. Hardly a list of ATGs or best of their respective divisions.

agreed !

[Robbie Barrett]

Yes, definitely. Myself included. Nobody should dispute that Joshua deserves to be ranked #1.

Just as nobody should dispute that Wilder deserves to be ranked #2.

The question is, why haven't they fought each other? In these situations, it's always the A-side that is more reluctant than the B-side. For obvious reasons.

So the issue becomes, why can't the A-side's fans be honest that he has more incentive to stall the fight? Just like Canelo did with GGG.

B side always asking for more than they're worth. Turning down 5x or more than you've ever made is flat out pricing yourself out/

[Ben Bolt]

For many of the purists, this weekend is for all the marbles.

Yes, it is.
For WBC it can't be. As it never heard of a guy named Wlad Klitschko. What a joke org.

[Kezzer]

Except that he's not. He doesn't hold the lineal title and he doesn't hold the most respected official title.

He has the belts stripped from Fury. But Fury has the lineage and Wilder is the longest reigning champion.

*yawn*

When wilder has won on Saturday and remains #2 in the world you can come back claiming this and that all you want but everyone knows who the current ruler of the heavyweight is and it’s not your American buddy I’m afraid. Sorry.

[N/A]

*yawn*

When wilder has won on Saturday and remains #2 in the world you can come back claiming this and that all you want but everyone knows who the current ruler of the heavyweight is and it’s not your American buddy I’m afraid. Sorry.

I'm not American and couldn't care less what country the heavyweight champion is from. I just want an undisputed champion.