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Originally posted by WBC WBA IBF View Postring itself says youre wrong. read ring's decision to strip fury of ring. they flat out apologize for separating ring from lineal. they still refer to fury as lineal on a daily basis.
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posted yesterday by ring magazine:
https://www.******.com/548392-fight-...vs-tyson-fury/
Big-punching WBC heavyweight titleholder Deontay Wilder will face his greatest challenge to date when he meets lineal champion Tyson Fury at the Staples Center in Los Angeles, on Saturday
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Originally posted by Robbie Barrett View PostLies. The whole purpose of the ring title is to recognise who they believe is lineal champion. Try again.
ring has said over and over that ring and lineal are two different things.
ring stripped stevenson for not facing their mandatory. something thats impossible for a lineal title. they continue to refer to him as lineal champion, but hes not ring champion.
ring allowed #2 vs #5 to fill a vacant ring title. lineal only allows #1 vs #2. ring and lineal have different rules and are two different things. even ring admits this.
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Originally posted by WBC WBA IBF View Postno. the whole purpose of the ring title is to make money, just like every other title.
ring has said over and over that ring and lineal are two different things.
ring stripped stevenson for not facing their mandatory. something thats impossible for a lineal title. they continue to refer to him as lineal champion, but hes not ring champion.
ring allowed #2 vs #5 to fill a vacant ring title. lineal only allows #1 vs #2. ring and lineal have different rules and are two different things. even ring admits this.
None of the sites people use to keep track of lineal recognise Fury as lineal. CBZ and TBRB who many see as the official keeper of lineal records don't recognise him.
You said the whole boxing world view Fury is lineal. I have proven yet again you're full of ****.
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Originally posted by R01 View PostIf the champs still undefeated and around..I agree.
that's way too much grey area.
tyson fury not only retired, he was suspended for two years because of anabolic steroids. ballooned up to 400 f#cking pounds. that guy was the HW champion of the world?
lennox lewis could come back and be the lineal world champion under that criteria. when tyson fury got suspended [should have never even fought klitschko, truthfully,] he stopped being lineal champion. stopped being "around" if you will.
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Originally posted by yoshik View PostThe man who beat the man is utter BS these days. Look at Adonis Stevenson. Unworthy POS that brags about the man that beat the man but won't fight the best. This mattered when there were two maybe three belts. No more.
in certain situations it's definitely worth celebrating. just not in a situation where a dude retires [and is suspended!] gains 150 lbs, and looks like a shell of himself when he comes back frmo his retirement / suspension literally for an anabolic steroid
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Originally posted by Robbie Barrett View PostFury lost that lineage when he said he was retired, didn't fight for 2 and half year and got banned for PED use.
Joshua is recognised as the #1 HW and will continue to be so after Saturday too.
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Originally posted by WBC WBA IBF View PostExcept that he's not. He doesn't hold the lineal title and he doesn't hold the most respected official title.
He has the belts stripped from Fury. But Fury has the lineage and Wilder is the longest reigning champion.
Exactly.
Either you're lineal or at least the WBC champion.
I like Joshua, but his belts are weak.
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