Comments Thread For: Lineage Matters Most at Heavyweight

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B side always asking for more than they're worth. Turning down 5x or more than you've ever made is flat out pricing yourself out/

It wasn't 5x more than he's made.

And he didn't turn it down.

So you're just lying all around.

Wilder accepted the fight as long as it was this year, then Hearn refused to keep his promise to do it this year.

[Robbie Barrett]

It wasn't 5x more than he's made.

And he didn't turn it down.

So you're just lying all around.

Wilder accepted the fight as long as it was this year, then Hearn refused to keep his promise to do it this year.

Finkel said they accepted, then he said they didn't. Said they were sending the contract back in a week with adjustments. Why take so long, they must know what adjustments they wanted to say it. All delaying tactics.

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Finkel said they accepted, then he said they didn't. Said they were sending the contract back in a week with adjustments. Why take so long, they must know what adjustments they wanted to say it. All delaying tactics.

they were willing to sign faster than povetkin was. negotiations with povetkin were still dragging on while wilder's side was saying we'll sign this week, just put in writing the fight is next. hearn refused. then spent another two weeks finalizing with povetkin when he could have easily signed the wilder fight.

hearn didnt want wilder this year. plain and simple. hearn is great at his job. only an idiot would have wanted to rush into a wilder fight and hearns not an idiot

[mrlopez]

Lineage does matter most, but when its vacated by someone for 2.5 years while binging on coke and having a mental breakdown, then magically given back to him before fighting 2 cans to lose weight, it doesnt quite have the same "ring" to it....

[jglvz256]

I would suppose that on Saturday the ring announcer will proclaim that the fight is "for the lineal Heavyweight Championship of the World"?

[Ben Bolt]

If you want to be a successful boxer, training jabs, hooks and uppercuts have always been significant.

But in today’s modern era of boxing, the most important thing for you to practise is how to pay sanction fees. If you can’t master that technique, you can never become a 'World' champ.

[Tyistall]

Wilder's purses are already filed over 2 million and filed purses are largely bogus. Based on being Showtime's biggest star and what Showtime pays in license fees, Wilder is likely making 3-4 million per fight, not 1 million.

Separate from that, what Wilder makes is irrelevant. Showtime and Haymon have put on all of the biggest events in the history of boxing. Showtime confirmed the money was real. Joshua and Hearn both confirmed the money was real. If Showtime guaranteed a 100 million purse for Mayweather, they can guarantee a 50 million purse for Joshua. To doubt that Showtime could come up with the money is ridiculous.

Wait, aren't you the same dunce that said the Fury/Wilder fight was more than halfway sold out? And that we would have this rush of tickets bought at the last minute? Well here we are, right before the fight and half the arena is available hahahahah

[Oshio]

Such naivete! Lineal champion is a 20th century's boxing fairytale. One who beats a 'lineal champion' and has no belt is not known neither is he recognized as a HW champion. Reminds one of the story of the poor wise man in Ecclesiastics who saved the city through his wisdom but he's not known. The Bible did not even mention his name. How sad can that be!

[Jkp]

Yes, definitely. Myself included. Nobody should dispute that Joshua deserves to be ranked #1.

Just as nobody should dispute that Wilder deserves to be ranked #2.

The question is, why haven't they fought each other? In these situations, it's always the A-side that is more reluctant than the B-side. For obvious reasons.

So the issue becomes, why can't the A-side's fans be honest that he has more incentive to stall the fight? Just like Canelo did with GGG.

You can rank him what ever number you want, but he wont be best in the world until he has fought and beaten the top guys.

If he isn't ready to fight the top guys, then he clearly isnt the best and should stop pretending to be a champion.

[Chrismart]

Lineal has a nice ring to it. You beat the man who beat the man. But that's all it means, it doesn't mean you're the best in the division.

It's a shame, but in 2018 in an era of 4 titles per division, it's not what it once meant. Not for most divisions anyway.
In recent times alone you've had Stevenson's weak lineal reign. You've had Cotto and Canelo's 'catchweight' MW lineal reigns.

It's steeped in history but it can get into P4P mythical territory at times. There's messy times (like the situation now at HW IMO) when there needs to be a concensus, but who do you really look for for that? For a definite?

I'm a Fury fan, I'm rooting for him but if he's still lineal, he's a lineal champ who just lost 150 pound after a 3 year lay off and drugs ban. It says a lot about how the lineal status can be watered down.
He 100% deserved it for betting Wlad. A famous win, but a lot has happened since then.

This fight on Saturday isn't for all the marble's and the big one. The winner against Joshua is the fight that provides that. This is for the 'lineal' name sake.