Educating Boxingscene Posters

[billeau2]

I would argue Joshua defeated a more motivated Klitschko , I don't put much on a fictitious labeling. In truth a lineal title is not a solid object such as a 4 belt champion. I like Fury but to many angles here to put excessive value on.

That's sensible. That's a much more logical approach then simply trying to change the details of how this particular distinction arises. That's a Feeling, and opinion that many hold. I certainly have no problem with this point of view.

[koolkc107]

It's sad. I get being a fan of someone, but when it makes you delusional to the entire sport one must take a step back.

Their whole logic is 100% fanboy when you think about it.

To them, the lineal can only be on the line if

a) AJ fights Wilder

or

b) AJ fights Fury

Yet, the guy who is literally lineal- the man who beat the man- is no longer lineal.

Which goes against EVERYTHING historically done to determine a lineal.

[Robbie Barrett]

Lewis is not fighting professionally so there is not a conflict. If there was a problem where a guy who was retired came back and there was another guy who claimed the lineal there are ways that this could be resolved..

One way might be to see who beat the best first. Another way might be to see who beat the best most recently. Maybe one guy who was beat was better then the other guy who was beat . Yet another way would be to have more than one lineal until either both guys fought or one guy ceased fighting. And finally another possible way would be to call whoever was fighting on any given day between the two guys, the lineal champion.

But in this case there really is no conflict of this sort. Tyson's claiming a title that he got when he beat Klitschko before Joshua did.

It's not a perfect system Robbie... But it's always manage to be resolved and at times it has been an important distinction and that other times it hasn't really mattered. People are certainly entitled to not think much of the title.

So you're just making your own rules as you go along.

[koolkc107]

I would argue Joshua defeated a more motivated Klitschko , I don't put much on a fictitious labeling. In truth a lineal title is not a solid object such as a 4 belt champion. I like Fury but to many angles here to put excessive value on.

That's sensible. That's a much more logical approach then simply trying to change the details of how this particular distinction arises. That's a Feeling, and opinion that many hold. I certainly have no problem with this point of view.

It's 100% a more valid take than the BS some of the fanboys are trying to push.

I don't agree with it, but at least it is a better way to advance AJ's claim than any other I have seen.

And it is consistent with any reasonable take that even if you call the winner Dec 1st the lineal (and I will) the winner should definitely see AJ (assuming Hearn will finally start dealing in good faith instead of treating real champions like dossers).

[Robbie Barrett]

Lewis is not fighting professionally so there is not a conflict. If there was a problem where a guy who was retired came back and there was another guy who claimed the lineal there are ways that this could be resolved..

One way might be to see who beat the best first. Another way might be to see who beat the best most recently. Maybe one guy who was beat was better then the other guy who was beat . Yet another way would be to have more than one lineal until either both guys fought or one guy ceased fighting. And finally another possible way would be to call whoever was fighting on any given day between the two guys, the lineal champion.

But in this case there really is no conflict of this sort. Tyson's claiming a title that he got when he beat Klitschko before Joshua did.

It's not a perfect system Robbie... But it's always manage to be resolved and at times it has been an important distinction and that other times it hasn't really mattered. People are certainly entitled to not think much of the title.

It's 100% a more valid take than the BS some of the fanboys are trying to push.

I don't agree with it, but at least it is a better way to advance AJ's claim than any other I have seen.

And it is consistent with any reasonable take that even if you call the winner Dec 1st the lineal (and I will) the winner should definitely see AJ (assuming Hearn will finally start dealing in good faith instead of treating real champions like dossers).

Luckily what you see and your opinion won't be what the sites that keeps records of this will. Don't want bias polluting boxing history.

[koolkc107]

Luckily what you see and your opinion won't be what the sites that keeps records of this will. Don't want bias polluting boxing history.

The sites will figure it out.

They usually do, after the fact sometimes.

[THEFRESHBRAWLER]

PBC guys should be all shouting at Haymon to be allowed to go across the street to take on the 147 lineal champion Crawford.

Naw Crawford should be screaming at Arum to be allowed to cross the street. Arum has now foghters at 147. PBC Welterweight are fighting better competition than tc

[THEFRESHBRAWLER]

Whats all that gotta do with anything? If Fury is lineal, then the Pacquiao who got beat by Horn who went on to lose to Crawford is lineal aswell.

This literally has nothing to do with what he posted lmao. You know exactly what it has to do with

[Cobra Curry]

For a title to be valid it has to be claimable. So, for example if I am knighted, I am claiming to abide by the laws of chivalry. If I am claiming to be the lineal champion my claim is that I beat the champ, the best.

The question is very simple. did Tyson Fury beat the best, the champion? Did he do it first? If so he can claim that title....simple!

I largely agree with this. The only problem I have is that Fury should have been under a drugs ban at the time he fought Klitschko.
What's your take on it?

[The3]

PBC guys should be all shouting at Haymon to be allowed to go across the street to take on the 147 lineal champion Crawford.

Lineal title at 147 is problem since , Horn did beat Pacquiao but Pacquioa got to keep the lineal title

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/pacquiao.htm