Having multiple belts does not make you great

[Marchegiano]

There is no way you are making any sense bro. Bowe got his belts in a single fight just like fury. Hez very much different from AJ.

AJ got his belts in 3 fights just for the reminder in case you forgot. AJ isn't dropping any belt cos of any ****** not even wilder.

I just wanted to know exactly the angle you are coming from but your mission failed on arrival.

Think of something else please.

There is no need for all this emotion and **** bubba.

Having multiple belts shows your heart and determination. There is no twist about it. This thread is from a die hard wilder fan boy.

You have been trying different means to discredit the unified champ but look like a clown doing it.

Rid**** Bowe is proof the bold bit there is just a ****** thing to say.

Now you want to pretend like this has something to do with how those belts were gathered?

Angle? Seriously son what in the **** is wrong with your generation? The angle is levity I guess. You do know what levity means right?

[Kezzer]

I see multiple threads about "WHY ARE PEOPLE ATTACKING JOSHUA" AND "IF HE WAS AMERICAN HE WOULD BE A TOP 10 ATG HEAVYWEIGHT"...Come on man, he beat Charles Martin for the IBF, beat a 40 year old Wlad coming off of a loss and a 2 year layoff for the vacant WBA, Then beat Parker for the WBO...Why should everyone be sucking him off exactly?? Seems like some posters want him crowned king before he even proves himself King...The guy is still very unproven and has to keep putting in the work to get his respect..

I completely agree with the point about belts not meaning everything.

Having said that within the heavyweight division there is no one near Joshua in terms of resume.
Povetkin, Takam, klitschko, Parker, Whyte, Brezeale, Molina and Martin all within 22 fights. Let’s consider that his main rival wilder had probably fought nobody top20 within 22 fights. Joshua by comparison probably had:

Outside top20 -
original 14 fights
Martin & Molina

Top20 -
Brezeale
Whyte (arguably now top5)

Top10 -
Takam

Top5 -
Parker
Klitschko
Povetkin

Who would I like him to see next? Well I would like the following (in no particular order):

Whyte 2 (he has improved immensely)
Vitali klitschko (would be mega)
Usyk
Ortiz
Wilder

Less favored for me but in the future:
Pulev
Hughie fury
Tyson fury
Dubios
Joyce

[Laligalaliga]

There is no need for all this emotion and **** bubba.



Rid**** Bowe is proof the bold bit there is just a ****** thing to say.

Now you want to pretend like this has something to do with how those belts were gathered?

Angle? Seriously son what in the **** is wrong with your generation? The angle is levity I guess. You do know what levity means right?

Let's not act like acturing a belt is the easiest of things to do. It takes heart and courage and determination to be and remain a unified champ.

You can be a lucky unified champ with one victory just like bowe and Fury, #fact. But it takes more than a lucky win to acquire 4 belts in 3 bouts. It shows quality and consistency.

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Having said that within the heavyweight division there is no one near Joshua in terms of resume.

This is where you and I agree. Joshua is the clear #1 in terms of resume and the Boxrec ratings clearly show that. That's not the issue. The issue is that Wilder is the clear #2 and people want to see them fight each other. However, Joshua fans insist on making excuses for why Wilder doesn't deserve the fight, even though he's clearly #2 in the division.

[krazyn8tive]

Floyd beat ATG'S and p4p caliber fighters over and over again...why even mention him?

Who were all somehow past their prime...every single time.

[iamboxing]

Who were all somehow past their prime...every single time.

None of them were 41 years old like Wlad and that was his best win. Plus AJ's competition are not a third of the talent Mayweather faced. They just can't be compared, the difference in talent and resume is astronomical and I'm not even a huge Mayweather fan.

[krazyn8tive]

None of them were 41 years old like Wlad and that was his best win. Plus AJ's competition are not a third of the talent Mayweather faced. They just can't be compared, the difference in talent and resume is astronomical and I'm not even a huge Mayweather fan.

Oh I know. I’m just trolling Larry about his boo

[Kezzer]

This is where you and I agree. Joshua is the clear #1 in terms of resume and the Boxrec ratings clearly show that. That's not the issue. The issue is that Wilder is the clear #2 and people want to see them fight each other. However, Joshua fans insist on making excuses for why Wilder doesn't deserve the fight, even though he's clearly #2 in the division.

I don’t think I’ve seen anyone say wilder doesn’t deserve the fight? But there is a big difference between having the ability to have a big say in the negiotiations and wilder, at the moment at least, has very little power.

Joshua could quite easily take on Ortiz, Whyte2, usyk, Big Baby, etc in the next couple of years and although the wilder fight should build further he would still be taking tough fights and you couldn’t overly argue with him because he’s making big bucks for doing it.

For wilder it’s quite a different scenario - fighting Joshua would not only be his chance to build profile bigger, it also would give him a signficant price rise (would be at least 4-5x, but we don’t know how much he is earning a against fury).

Therefore wilder if he wants the fight has to be willing to give in to demands Much more so than Joshua so in my view the emphasis is on wilder if the fight is to be made because it’s him i would be expecting to be making the compromises.

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there is a big difference between having the ability to have a big say in the negiotiations and wilder, at the moment at least, has very little power.

He has a lot more power now than before. Before he had to cave and take the flat fee. Once Hearn still refused to do the fight, Wilder, rightfully, did everything possible to find some leverage. Fury is that leverage. He can make 20 million in two fights with Fury, which is way better than 15 million for one fight with AJ when it has to be in the UK and there's no rematch clause.

Joshua could quite easily take on Ortiz, Whyte2, usyk, Big Baby, etc in the next couple of years and although the wilder fight should build further he would still be taking tough fights and you couldn’t overly argue with him because he’s making big bucks for doing it.

The flaw with that plan though is that when you're the big mainstream cash cow, the public will turn on you if you wait too long to fight the fight they really want to see. You also risk losing before ever fighting the fight everyone wants to see.

The plan you lay out is GREAT FOR HEARN, but he'd be fighting all those fights to make less than he'd have made fighting Wilder twice.

[Outwest Exp 355]

Not having this Larry

Have people forgotten Martin himself was cherry picked by that hoe Duva in order to gift her fighter Glazkov with a title, hence petitioning the IBF to strip Fury? Martin deserved to win that simply because him winning backfired Duva's cherry pick. And if Martin is frowned upon by you guys, why didn't Wilder unify the IBF and WBC titles with Martin instead, considering Martin won the title on Wilder's undercard? Why didn't Haymon put the money up for that and let Wilder collect 2 belts?

Wlad was coming off a loss yes and was inactive but only having been ****ed around by Fury who pissed his career away on drugs and kebabs. Who was Joshua supposed to fight instead of Wlad? It made all the sense in the world - titles on the line, 90,000 at Wembley, former heavyweight king and the fight delivered. And also, an old Wlad is a greater fighter than an old Ortiz yet one gets **** on and the other gets hyped up

Another funny thing is when Fury beat Wlad and papped it from the rematch, people were saying "Fury fluked a win over Wlad, he's ducking the rematch, he can't beat him, he took drugs to duck" etc now years later, the same Fury accused of fluking past Wlad and ducking the rematch is all of a sudden a genuine threat to Wilder. WTF?

Parker was prime, undefeated, the WBO title and brought in New Zealand money, plus it was a 3 belt unification. Again, who should Joshua have fought at the time instead?

Funny thing is if Wilder had Wlad, Parker, Martis and 3 titles on his resume, you'd be calling him the fighter of the decade but when Wilder was feasting on bums for the first 37, YES 37, fights of his career, you boys stayed church mouse silent.

When Martin was even considered a possible option for Wilder everyone on this site sh^t on Martin. People were starting threads saying Wilder was going to surrender his title and fight Martin since they were both with Haymon. He would duck Povetkin. Blah blah blah. Belt or no belt no one on earth thought Martin was a good fighter.