Having multiple belts does not make you great

[Marchegiano]

So what about Red**** bowe?

Okay bubba, I assume you just don't know the history?


He is an example of a champion with all the belts who ducked a man who had none.

Bowe won the IBF, WBA, and WBC off Holyfield in 92. I think Moore is the WBO champ at the time but it really doesn't matter because the WBO hasn't been legitimized.

What I mean to get at is Bowe might have only had three belts like Josh does presently but back then those three were the big three and the WBO was more like the IBO is today so Bowe had an even stronger position than Josh does now.

The same year Lennox whooped Donovan Ruddock in a WBC title elim. When Bowe realize the WBC would make him fight Lennox he dropped the WBC title. Lennox became the WBC champion due to Bowe being scared and ducking him.

The story doesn't even end there, but, I think you get my point.

Joshua is not the undisputed giving up his title to a mando because he's scared of him....but...that is what a belt collection is worth as sole evidence of heart and determination.

[Larry the boss]

having multiple belts shows your heart and determination. There is no twist about it. This thread is from a die hard wilder fan boy.

You have been trying different means to discredit the unified champ but look like a clown doing it.

heart and determination??? He got his damn belts from charles martin, a vacant belt against an old wlad and one from freaking parker...im not discrediting anything, but damn is this supposed to be greatness?

[Froch_uppercut]

yeah i hear you...these guys keep saying "4 belts 4 belts AJ is great hes proven it"...over and over...LOL...friggin charles martin man...that guy got beaten by a polack with no muscle tone

It’s not Joshua’s fault that a **** American boxer had the belt YOU can only beat what’s in front of you. To dismiss AJ’s accomplishments by saying stuff like “only Parker” and “only Klitschko” etc, that is disingenuous. You can do that about anything. Golf: “just a ****** game of hitting a little white ball into a hole” and so on. You can make anything seem **** if you’re wanting to.

[Froch_uppercut]

heart and determination??? He got his damn belts from charles martin, a vacant belt against an old wlad and one from freaking parker...im not discrediting anything, but damn is this supposed to be greatness?

Use your brain. It’s not Joshua’s fault a bog average American ended up with the belt. You beat what’s in front of you. Parker was unbeaten and Wilder wanted none of him. WK was in the shape of his life, and Whyte is better than Ortiz by miles, and AJ is only young.
Would you rather he fought Charlie Zelenoff?
Fu ckkkking hell, spare me from American boxing fans.

[Larry the boss]

Use your brain. It’s not Joshua’s fault a bog average American ended up with the belt. You beat what’s in front of you. Parker was unbeaten and Wilder wanted none of him. WK was in the shape of his life, and Whyte is better than Ortiz by miles, and AJ is only young.
Would you rather he fought Charlie Zelenoff?
Fu ckkkking hell, spare me from American boxing fans.

a 41 year old wlad was in the shape of his life??? stop man

Parker has shown us his ceiling, good win..but he was no great fighter

and Whyte has not shown he was anything great either..why even mention Ortiz?? I am not hyping Wilder as some ATG

[Laligalaliga]

Okay bubba, I assume you just don't know the history?


He is an example of a champion with all the belts who ducked a man who had none.

Bowe won the IBF, WBA, and WBC off Holyfield in 92. I think Moore is the WBO champ at the time but it really doesn't matter because the WBO hasn't been legitimized.

What I mean to get at is Bowe might have only had three belts like Josh does presently but back then those three were the big three and the WBO was more like the IBO is today so Bowe had an even stronger position than Josh does now.

The same year Lennox whooped Donovan Ruddock in a WBC title elim. When Bowe realize the WBC would make him fight Lennox he dropped the WBC title. Lennox became the WBC champion due to Bowe being scared and ducking him.

The story doesn't even end there, but, I think you get my point.

Joshua is not the undisputed giving up his title to a mando because he's scared of him....but...that is what a belt collection is worth as sole evidence of heart and determination.

There is no way you are making any sense bro. Bowe got his belts in a single fight just like fury. Hez very much different from AJ.

AJ got his belts in 3 fights just for the reminder in case you forgot. AJ isn't dropping any belt cos of any ****** not even wilder.

I just wanted to know exactly the angle you are coming from but your mission failed on arrival.

Think of something else please.

[Laligalaliga]

heart and determination??? He got his damn belts from charles martin, a vacant belt against an old wlad and one from freaking parker...im not discrediting anything, but damn is this supposed to be greatness?

These freaking Parker, Martin's and old wlad that this same wilder refused to fight. Huh!!

What other way do you measure greatness? Holding a belt hostage fighting bums?

I need to know what you understand by greatness.

I need to know how bermane stirverne got his belt.
I also need to know of how that bum was allowed for a rematch.

[Boksfan]

Everybody is laughing at Larry, that boy must struggle to fall asleep at this point

[Throwingbombs]

Parker, Whyte,Wlad,Martin,Takem,Povetkin is not some ATG list sorry

Nobody is saying it is some all time great list.

What people are saying is it is by FAR the best list of any current heavyweight and miles better than Wilders list....in half of the fights.....which is true. Unless you are mental you would have to agree.

[uppercut510]

Use your brain. It’s not Joshua’s fault a bog average American ended up with the belt. You beat what’s in front of you. Parker was unbeaten and Wilder wanted none of him. WK was in the shape of his life, and Whyte is better than Ortiz by miles, and AJ is only young.
Would you rather he fought Charlie Zelenoff?
Fu ckkkking hell, spare me from American boxing fans.

Parker walked away from the wilder fight to make more money vs AJ why are you making stuff up?????? Wilder wanted none of him??? that is a complete lie, and how is Whyte miles ahead of Ortiz????? his resume is better but to say hes better by miles is a bit of an overstatement. Whyte is a good fighter no doubt but you guys tend to overhype him.