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  • Deus
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    #71
    Originally posted by uppercut510
    there simply isn't enough big names at HW to crown anyone king, they all need to fight eachother and AJ needs stop hiding behind politics and money acting like a DIVA when it comes to fighting wilder, Ortiz, or fury. He has the best resume of them all I agree but like Larry is saying you all need to calm down with the overhyping and acting like this guy is already an ATG and his resume is something to brag about. its simply not
    Man... Ortiz is nothing but someone for you to pin up to elevate Wilder. Ortiz is absolutely no different to Povetkin, hell it could be argued he's inferior to Povetkin yet the common consensus here is that Ortiz is a monster now just because he rocked Wilder.

    Same for Fury to be honest; Fury hasn't even shown that he's anywhere near the champion he was to be even considered one of the best in the division.

    If you actually objectively compare Povetkin to Ortiz the only difference between the 2 of them is that Povetkin actually achieved something in his amateur career; everything else is exactly the same.

    Joshua does need to fight Wilder though... and that has to happen next year.

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    • Laligalaliga
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      #72
      Yeah...... I guess running from mandatories makes you great then.

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      • Laligalaliga
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        #73
        Originally posted by Marchegiano
        There is no need for all this emotion and **** bubba.



        Rid**** Bowe is proof the bold bit there is just a ****** thing to say.

        Now you want to pretend like this has something to do with how those belts were gathered?

        Angle? Seriously son what in the **** is wrong with your generation? The angle is levity I guess. You do know what levity means right?
        You try too hard to convince fans with your long comments that some times lack contents..

        You can't pretend to know that it takes heart and will power to unify twice in the HW division.

        Am not interested in your excuses why the longest champ never tried to unify because it not going to sell. The fans already know what you try so hard to convince them about.

        The unified champ is always and ever ready for any challenger including wilder. All they need to do is sign the contract and the fight is on.

        End of.

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        • Tom Cruise
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          #74
          Originally posted by larryxxx..
          Parker, Whyte,Wlad,Martin,Takem,Povetkin is not some ATG list sorry
          No but its the best currently in the division, until Fury is back and firing, whos claiming he is an ATG already?

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          • uppercut510
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            #75
            Originally posted by Deus
            Man... Ortiz is nothing but someone for you to pin up to elevate Wilder. Ortiz is absolutely no different to Povetkin, hell it could be argued he's inferior to Povetkin yet the common consensus here is that Ortiz is a monster now just because he rocked Wilder.

            Same for Fury to be honest; Fury hasn't even shown that he's anywhere near the champion he was to be even considered one of the best in the division.

            If you actually objectively compare Povetkin to Ortiz the only difference between the 2 of them is that Povetkin actually achieved something in his amateur career; everything else is exactly the same.

            Joshua does need to fight Wilder though... and that has to happen next year.
            im not hyping up anything, I think Ortiz is a good fighter, id love to see him fight AJ. and no matter how you try to cut it, Fury is the Lineal champ and one of the best in the division. pedvtkin is a good win for aj even tho hes pretty much nothing without his juice, he has a better resume than Ortiz. I just want to see all the top HWs fight the names I named are some of the top names in the division.

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            • JJRod
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              #76
              Maybe not, but it puts you in the conversation.

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              • -DSG-
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                #77
                I agree how many belts doesn't matter nearly as much as who you beat. That's why Crawford is over rated.

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                • Marchegiano
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                  #78
                  Originally posted by Laligalaliga
                  You try too hard to convince fans with your long comments that some times lack contents..
                  I said a name at you.

                  Originally posted by Laligalaliga
                  You can't pretend to know that it takes heart and will power to unify twice in the HW division.

                  Am not interested in your excuses why the longest champ never tried to unify because it not going to sell. The fans already know what you try so hard to convince them about.

                  The unified champ is always and ever ready for any challenger including wilder. All they need to do is sign the contract and the fight is on.

                  End of.
                  The **** does this got to do with Bowe?






                  If you have a problem with my chronology or points I raised elsewhere why didn't you say it then in response to whatever post has your panties twisted?

                  I have no ****ing clue what you are talking about because despite obviously being shook by **** I have said you didn't criticize anything specific. You just ranted about some vague motivation you claim I have while crying about false equivalencies you've drawn.

                  Like some Alex Jones **** or some such similar nonsense.

                  And to be honest what sense I did make of this little hissy fit amounted to you lack the knowledge to counter the points I raise but do retain a strong resentment for having raised them.

                  Like a housewife.....you minge.

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                  • RL_GMA
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                    #79
                    Being a "World Champion" these days doesn't hold anywhere near the same weight as it used.

                    You take someone like Adrien Broner. A 4 Division World Champion. Can anyone legitimately tell me what his signature win is as a Pro? Demarco? Malignaggi? Ponce? I'd put Broner on a higher pedestal had he actually defended his titles several times before moving up. He'd win a belt then vacate / get stripped then would somehow land another title fight off a weak win or Draw. I mean, he just landed a Pac fight off a Draw with Jessie Vargas.

                    Last edited by RL_GMA; 11-26-2018, 01:57 PM.

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                    • R-Hand Southpaw
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                      #80
                      Originally posted by RL_GMA
                      Being a "World Champion" these days doesn't hold anywhere near the same weight as it used.

                      You take someone like Adrien Broner. A 4 Division World Champion. Can anyone legitimately tell me what his signature win is as a Pro? Demarco? Malignaggi? Ponce? I'd put Broner on a higher pedestal had he actually defended his titles several times before moving up. He'd win a belt then vacate / get stripped then would somehow land another title fight off a weak win or Draw. I mean, he just landed a Pac fight off a Draw with Jessie Vargas.

                      I agree 100%

                      I dont get how fans dont understand this though. Winning a world championship isnt anything where near what it used to be especially with all these belts now.

                      That's not saying it take skill or heart or whatever but there are BIG gaps between skill level.

                      On top of that, most boxers these days arent even fighters, they want to be businessmen first and that definitely hurts the sport.

                      When you talk about winning a belt and vacating it. Moving up and around it sounds a lot like you're talking about Mikey Garcia.

                      But people tall **** about Broner and act like Mikey is the ****. Hes better than broner but by how much? And then you have to ask, how good is broner? The dude can look good but also looks like **** half the time. He got the same problems tank got and we all know who they got that from.

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