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  • Marchegiano
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    #61
    Originally posted by Eff Pandas
    When did prize fighting die exactly btw? Cuz I know in the bare knuckle days a winners share was the rule or at least standard. But somewhere along the way of boxing becoming less about sports & more about asses in seats & more about ratings & PPV buys with more & more people watching it a winners share died.

    Not that I think thats wrong cuz it is an entertainment sport & with boxing being a every man for himself type business, unlike most sports at the business level, it makes sense for the guys who can draw to make more money.

    But ideally if all the top boxers were competing under the same umbrella vs other top guys then there would be a control quality with boxing that is comparable to other sports quality control & you could do more bonus sh^t & winners share stuff I believe. With how boxing is setup today it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to have a winners share for fights that already have a winners share built in pretty much cuz the A side guy is 80/20 to win.
    When sanctioning bodies took over.

    Even as far back as Broughton rules, the first rule system, they had codified means of guaranteeing purses. The 75/25 split with winner taking majority was in place if no other agreement was prearranged. So for most fighters whose fights were being backed by ******** no one really knew what the purse would be and bothered to make deals prior to fighting.

    So from time to time even in the very early days you have guys saying they won't fight a challenger because they're not guaranteed enough money. Tom Cribb held out of fighting Molineaux until the price was right and Jem Ward bilked the English public out of absurd amounts of money without even fighting by demanding certain sums be raised.

    When boxing has the infrastructure to support stars it happens often regardless of rule set and when it doesn't it happens less often.

    It's really more a sign of not having any money behind you then an honest love for fairplay, but in my mind it is the fairest way to fight.

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      #62
      Originally posted by kafkod
      Total Sporteck is a notoriously unreliable source for info about boxing income and purse splits. They literally invent their own numbers and report them before the actual figures are announced just to attract gullible people to their site.

      I'm surprised that somebody who claims to be "an insider" would resort to using Sporteck as a source.

      The 50/50 split for AJ/Wlad was reported by multiple UK sources with more credibility than Sportek.
      That WBC guy makes no sense all the time ,ive had better interaction with my 10 year old son who understands more even if you say he answers questions on here who is asking him about what if he lies all the time?

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        #63
        Originally posted by WBC WBA IBF
        And the Mirror is a notoriously unreliable source for info about anything.

        You have no way of knowing what the split was. Why would Finkel lie to me about what the split was? Why would AJ give Wladimir 50/50 when AJ was the champion and the bigger draw?

        It was 55/45. If you don't want to believe me, no problem. Take care.
        Klitschko would not fight Joshua without a split close to 50/50 because he was just as much important to sell out a 90,000 fan pact stadium. This is called a dance partner but you say you are in the business ? Klitschko was more world wide known so it was important to get the PPV buys up or viewers in general from across the globe. You stated you have 3 guys on one account and now Finkel feeds you info ,one which is false? And are telling me in the same thread Mike Tyson wasn't the more important side to the Lewis fight? Come on go away...ha'

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          #64
          Originally posted by REDEEMER
          Klitschko would not fight Joshua without a split close to 50/50
          Correct. The split was 55/45, which is close to 50/50.

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            #65
            Originally posted by WBC WBA IBF
            Correct. The split was 55/45, which is close to 50/50.
            No it wasn't and now other posters have pointed that out to you. You claim i need to read the thread but clearly it is you who now claim Finkel himself told you which is more ridiculous then your 3 person account claim. Really your nothing more of a nuisance on here which is one who annoys others!

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            • daggum
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              #66
              boxing is a lot like trumps tax plan. give all the money to the rich guy and then he will give it back to you duh! why don't you like this plan?

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                #67
                Originally posted by REDEEMER
                No it wasn't and now other posters have pointed that out to you.
                Other posters who have absolutely no way of knowing. Filed purses don't leak for UK fights. Hearn and Finkel never publicly said what the split was. This was done out of respect to Wladimir not to shine a light on the fact that he had to give Joshua the lion's share. "Other posters" are going from unsourced tabloid reports that are inaccurate. I have more credibility than the Mirror when it comes to boxing as I have broken numerous major stories on this site, including being the only one months ago saying Pacquiao was in talks with Haymon. The only one years ago saying Fox was very likely to give PBC a paid deal after the time buys, etc.


                it is you who now claim Finkel himself told you which is more ridiculous then your 3 person account claim.
                Get yourself a press pass and go to the press conferences. Very easy to get Hearn, Finkel, etc to talk to you. Nothing special.

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by WBC WBA IBF
                  And the Mirror is a notoriously unreliable source for info about anything.

                  You have no way of knowing what the split was. Why would Finkel lie to me about what the split was? Why would AJ give Wladimir 50/50 when AJ was the champion and the bigger draw?

                  It was 55/45. If you don't want to believe me, no problem. Take care.
                  Originally posted by Eff Pandas
                  LMFAO. The biggest sketchy mfer on this site is that mfer. I don't know why so many cats buy he's a real insider. Or 3 insiders cuz 3 mfers are supposedly paid to post on Boxing Scene for some reason or however the story goes.

                  Meanwhile this dude acts like a 13 year old at least once a week (cuz while I got him on ignore mfers still quote his nutty sh^t). This is for sure not Jim Lampley's secret account or w/e the rumor might be with this bad troll.
                  Originally posted by REDEEMER
                  That WBC guy makes no sense all the time ,ive had better interaction with my 10 year old son who understands more even if you say he answers questions on here who is asking him about what if he lies all the time?
                  He says Finkel told him the split was 55/45.

                  Do you think Finkel could be one of the 3 guys using that account?

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by kafkod
                    He says Finkel told him the split was 55/45.

                    Do you think Finkel could be one of the 3 guys using that account?
                    LOL. Solid bet. Its Lampley, Finkel & all those weirdo outburts are when the 3rd member Elie Seckback uses the account.

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                    • kafkod
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                      #70
                      Originally posted by WBC WBA IBF
                      Other posters who have absolutely no way of knowing. Filed purses don't leak for UK fights. Hearn and Finkel never publicly said what the split was. This was done out of respect to Wladimir not to shine a light on the fact that he had to give Joshua the lion's share. "Other posters" are going from unsourced tabloid reports that are inaccurate. I have more credibility than the Mirror when it comes to boxing as I have broken numerous major stories on this site, including being the only one months ago saying Pacquiao was in talks with Haymon. The only one years ago saying Fox was very likely to give PBC a paid deal after the time buys, etc.



                      Get yourself a press pass and go to the press conferences. Very easy to get Hearn, Finkel, etc to talk to you. Nothing special.
                      Why would you expect Shelley Finkel to have anything to say about the purse split?

                      If he had any role at all in that fight, it would have been a very minor one, nothing to do with the money deal.

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