A great example of what a liar Eddie Hearn is.

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Yes, I was VERY surprised that a broadcast network did as paid deal for top-level boxing. So what?

Because you declared authoritatively that it would NEVER EVER HAPPEN. A year later, it happened. Clearly, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Meanwhile I swore up and down that it would happen, and guess what, it happened.

I would be willing to bet my life that Showtime is still showing boxing in 2020. I would be willing to bet any amount of money that you want. I'll even give you 10 to 1 odds. Put up 100k. I'll put up 1 million dollars. We'll put the money in escrow. If Showtime doesn't show boxing in 2020, you get 1 million dollars. If they do, I get 100k. You in?

[billeau2]

The lie is that he wouldn't bet against Showtime leaving boxing next year when he knows 100% for a fact the soonest they can leave boxing is 2022.

You do not have to explain yourself. Anyone with a basic understanding of logic understand that this is a lie. The first thing one learns when studying ethics is that ALL Lies are of a sort! So..

WBC guy you visit your grandma, and she pinches your cheek and says "on wait I have something for you!" She proceeds to bring out the loudest, gaudiest tie with fifty colors, polyester, and she asks "so how do you like it." Now, you will Lie. YOu will justify the lie of being of a sort...I believe its called a white lie in this case?

Kant was famous for not accepting this because it created a major contradiction and reduced people to "means to an end." He told people that if one was hiding a prisoner from a freedom group and the soldgers came to the door and asked if you had the person, the right thing to do would be to not lie. He felt, and I am not agreeing with him! that all lies are lies and everyone has an exception for why they lie.

The point is these fans of Hearns are acting like morons. Its a lie, just like any other lie. By the way, WBC guy has not lied and been honest about his point of view, as a poster. Just something to be aware of.

And you did not say anything that was out of line regarding Hearn. He is obviously a manipulator, like all promoters tend to be. People need to stop sucking Hearns off. Let him rest a while first.

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That's a lie. Showtime has no out clause and wouldn't have had the leverage to negotiate one even if they wanted to. FOX was willing to pay for the entire PBC package. Only out of loyalty did Haymon make sure to carve out 12 dates for Showtime each year.

you dont know that, most contracts have an out clause and if it doesnt its nothing to amend a contract, its normal business.

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depends on how you define "successful". All of HBOs homework indicated that boxing does NOT generate sufficient numbers of new subscribers to justify the expense. Showtime operates on the same business model as HBO, so its hard to see how their results would be any different. Will people watch it? Sure. But without it would Showtime lose $50 or $100 million worth of subscribers? Doubtful.


Lets assume for a minute that HBOs research is correct, and boxing does not really drive new subscriptions. Lets also assume for a second that if Showtime dropped boxing, they might lose somewhere around 100,000 subscribers (roughly 25% of their average viewing audience). So if 100,000 subscribers generate approx. $13 million a year in subscription revenue, does it really make sense to spend $30 or $40 million a year to make $13 million?

One Punch

That is not how a syndicate sees the picture. The idea in any market is to dominate the market. HBO and Showtime were in a battle to get the same typical subscribers, you are quite right, but in fact, that leaves twice as many subscribers to the remaining network. Sure there is competition, and thats how the game is played. Showtime is willing to fight off these other platforms and get that market share abdicated by HBO.

This same principle plays out in micromarkets: when I was a kid on 86th street and Lexington ave there was a Burger KIng (was new then) and a Papaya Hot Dog King. They both wanted to be the place where people got that cheap lunch...so they had a price war. You could get 25 cent whoppers and two great hot dogs for the same....

My point here is that this was a war where both companies were willing to take the hit to become the dominant player in that micro-market. Nobody ever won that price war, but it went on a while, until traffic increased so much I guess they figured nobody could take the prize.

The correct math that the executives see is a doubling of their current market.

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you dont know that

Yes, I do know that.

most contracts have an out clause

Not TV contracts for major sports leagues. Why would PBC have accepted only 1 year guaranteed from SHO when FOX was offering 4 years guaranteed?

and if it doesnt its nothing to amend a contract, its normal business.

And yet, knowing they are pulling out of boxing, HBO continues to add dates to fulfill the fights owed to fighters. Anybody who believes 2019 is SHO's last year in boxing is an absolute moron.

I dare anybody to bet me that SHO will pull out of boxing next year.

[.!WAR MIKEY!.]

Yes, I do know that.




Not TV contracts for major sports leagues. Why would PBC have accepted only 1 year guaranteed from SHO when FOX was offering 4 years guaranteed?




And yet, knowing they are pulling out of boxing, HBO continues to add dates to fulfill the fights owed to fighters. Anybody who believes 2019 is SHO's last year in boxing is an absolute moron.

I dare anybody to bet me that SHO will pull out of boxing next year.

I dont think no one really thinks 2019 is their last year but you talking like theirs absolutely no way showtime can get out of boxing if they wanted to is moronic lmfao.

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you dont know that

Yes, I do know that.

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[rickJen]

Don't know why they keep comparing HBO with Showtime, or vise versa.
HBO subscribers sign up not because of boxing,
but because of hit series like Game of Thrones.
That is not the case with Showtime.
Boxing fans expect more boxing shows from SHO.
Which it fails to deliver.
Like right now it's not the best time to sign up as it's plague with inactivity problems.

[OnePunch]

Don't know why they keep comparing HBO with Showtime, or vise versa.
HBO subscribers sign up not because of boxing,
but because of hit series like Game of Thrones.
That is not the case with Showtime.
Boxing fans expect more boxing shows from SHO.
Which it fails to deliver.
Like right now it's not the best time to sign up as it's plague with inactivity problems.

totally disagree. Showtime could drop boxing tomorrow and I would still keep it due to Homeland, Ray Donovan, Billions, etc.

Personally I think Showtime has MUCH better original programming then HBO these days. Other than GOT, which I dont even watch, HBO hasnt had a show worth watching since Boardwalk Empire ended.....

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totally disagree. Showtime could drop boxing tomorrow and I would still keep it due to Homeland, Ray Donovan, Billions, etc.

Personally I think Showtime has MUCH better original programming then HBO these days. Other than GOT, which I dont even watch, HBO hasnt had a show worth watching since Boardwalk Empire ended.....

that's because showtime basically gave up on hit movies and poured that money into original series and boxing. while simultaneously lowering their price.

sho and hbo have very different strategies.