A great example of what a liar Eddie Hearn is.

[Fists_of_Fury]

Eddie Hearn is an American Hero. Time for the lot of you to show some respect.

Not everyone is going to suck Eddie Hearn off straight to the sack with no gagging like you. He is far from an American hero. More like a slimey limey c*nt.

[OnePunch]

That's a lie. Showtime has no out clause and wouldn't have had the leverage to negotiate one even if they wanted to. FOX was willing to pay for the entire PBC package. Only out of loyalty did Haymon make sure to carve out 12 dates for Showtime each year.

they dont need an "out clause". CBS is a billion dollar corporation. If they decide they dont want to waste airtime on boxing anymore, they will simply pay off the remainder of the contract, save their production costs, and show other content in that timeslot.

In the big picture its a meaningless amount of money to an entity the size of CBS.......

[N/A]

Lol do you know what the difference between a lie and an opinion is? He said “wouldn’t be surprised” not “they’re 100% getting out of boxing”

But he's clearly lying about what his opinion is. He knows there's absolutely no way Showtime is leaving boxing until at least 2022. He knows that for a fact. But he's lying and saying it wouldn't surprise them if they left in 2019. Yes, it would surprise him. It would surprise everyone. That'd be like saying it wouldn't be a surprise if ESPN got rid of boxing next year even though they have a guaranteed multi-year deal.

[N/A]

So what's the lie?

The lie is that he wouldn't bet against Showtime leaving boxing next year when he knows 100% for a fact the soonest they can leave boxing is 2022.

[Chrismart]

I have no problem with promoters lying, they all do it. It's in their best interest to do so now and again. Fighters and trainers do it also, probably to a lesser extent.

Arum said the same as Hearn. Warren says what he likes, as does Oscar. Guys like Finkel spin too, as would Haymon if he spoke.

Some fans believe or shoot down everything a promoter will say if they are that way inclined. That just doesn't apply to Hearn though, it applies to all of the promoters.

[N/A]

How do you know Showtime's isn't only guaranteed for a year?

Because FOX was willing to guarantee four years for the entire PBC package. They wanted PBC exclusivity. Showtime had to fight to stay in the game and lean on Haymon to remain loyal. They didn't have the leverage to negotiate an out clause, nor would they want one. They just finally bullied HBO out of the business. Now it's Showtime's time to reap the rewards of that.

One of the networks I work with tried to bid on the PBC package and was told in no uncertain terms that all offers had to be a minimum of three years guaranteed. Would make no sense for PBC to take one year guaranteed from SHO when FOX was willing to buy all PBC programming outright for four years guaranteed.

[N/A]

they dont need an "out clause". CBS is a billion dollar corporation. If they decide they dont want to waste airtime on boxing anymore, they will simply pay off the remainder of the contract, save their production costs, and show other content in that timeslot.

In the big picture its a meaningless amount of money to an entity the size of CBS.......

You say that, yet HBO is still adding boxing dates to fulfill the fights they owe to fighters rather than just pay them off, save on production costs, etc.

You really think Hearn believes Showtime will be out of boxing next year when they just signed a massive multiyear deal, just bullied HBO out of the genre, beat HBO boxing head to head in the ratings, etc? Showtime boxing is about to have its most successful period ever. Hearn knows that. Arum knows that. They're promoters. It's their job to lie and plant doubts. You can't seriously believe Hearn is expressing his true opinion on whether Showtime will stick around for more than a year.

[BirdSong]

omg is fast eddie spreading fake news here? wtf im waiting for a youtube vid of ed speaking russian into his cell phone

[OnePunch]

You say that, yet HBO is still adding boxing dates to fulfill the fights they owe to fighters rather than just pay them off, save on production costs, etc.

You really think Hearn believes Showtime will be out of boxing next year when they just signed a massive multiyear deal, just bullied HBO out of the genre, beat HBO boxing head to head in the ratings, etc? Showtime boxing is about to have its most successful period ever. Hearn knows that. Arum knows that. They're promoters. It's their job to lie and plant doubts. You can't seriously believe Hearn is expressing his true opinion on whether Showtime will stick around for more than a year.

depends on how you define "successful". All of HBOs homework indicated that boxing does NOT generate sufficient numbers of new subscribers to justify the expense. Showtime operates on the same business model as HBO, so its hard to see how their results would be any different. Will people watch it? Sure. But without it would Showtime lose $50 or $100 million worth of subscribers? Doubtful.


Lets assume for a minute that HBOs research is correct, and boxing does not really drive new subscriptions. Lets also assume for a second that if Showtime dropped boxing, they might lose somewhere around 100,000 subscribers (roughly 25% of their average viewing audience). So if 100,000 subscribers generate approx. $13 million a year in subscription revenue, does it really make sense to spend $30 or $40 million a year to make $13 million?

[Jsmooth9876]

Showtime sucks besides boxing. HBO has plenty of other things going for it. If showtime drops boxing, I drop showtime. I'm not dropping HBO though because they have shows that are actually worth watching.