A great example of what a liar Eddie Hearn is.

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The lie is that he wouldn't bet against Showtime leaving boxing next year when he knows 100% for a fact the soonest they can leave boxing is 2022.

We don't know that he knows that for a fact. You may be privy to the details of Showtime's deal with PBC, but that doesn't guarantee that, Hearn, a competitor of PBC is.

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Eddie Hearn ‘wouldn’t be surprised’ if SHOWTIME left boxing in 2019

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"I wouldn't bet against Showtime looking at the sport in a year's time and just saying 'This is just getting out of hand and we can't be major players. And if we can't be major players, then we're out.'"


Showtime just signed a THREE YEAR CONTRACT that covers 2019, 2020 and 2021. Hearn knows this. He knows for a fact that Showtime is going to be in boxing, at an absolute minimum for three more years.

And yet, in an effort to manipulate and brainwash, he says he wouldn't be surprised if Showtime pulls out of boxing next year. He's obviously lying. This is a great example of the kind of lies Hearn tells every day to shape whatever narrative he's pushing.

The funny thing is, Matchroom only has two years guaranteed with DAZN. So Showtime is actually committed to boxing longer than DAZN is committed to Hearn.

this is actually a lie because Showtime may leave the network and go with an APP. It also doesn't mean contracts wont be cancelled but if this is a lie why is Arum agreeing with Hearn? DAZN could very well buy out Showtimes contracts which is a likely scenario. Didn't HBo have extended contracts to fighters?

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All of HBOs homework indicated that boxing does NOT generate sufficient numbers of new subscribers to justify the expense. Showtime operates on the same business model as HBO, so its hard to see how their results would be any different.

No, SHO's business model is very different from HBO. When SHO sensed weakness in HBO's boxing franchise, SHO got very aggressive in that space to steal away the subscribers who are primarily motivated by boxing. That's why HBO's homework started to indicate boxing wasn't generating a sufficient number of subscribers. Because at the same exact time, SHO's homework was indicating boxing was a huge motivator in new sign ups. That's why SHO started to invest more and more while HBO was investing less and less. Once the tide turns, HBO's choice was throw a ton of money at the problem or pull out.

HBO spends a LOT of money on hit movies that SHO doesn't spend. As SHO has shifted more towards boxing, they've also steered away more and more from spending money on recent hit movies. HBO and SHO differ in a lot of ways. HBO is $14.99 on its own, SHO is $8.99. Boxing is much cheaper than recent hit movies, so part of how SHO is able to charge so much less than HBO is because of their focus on boxing.

As for SHO's ratings, you're going by the public numbers, which are wildly inaccurate. SHO has millions of subscribers that don't watch on traditional TV. Nielsen doesn't count those boxing viewers. Unlike HBO, SHO offers live fights on their apps, archives full fight broadcasts on their apps, etc. All things HBO refused to do. So SHO subscribers are far more likely to watch boxing on the app than HBO subscribers were, which makes SHO's Nielsen numbers for boxing completely irrelevant. SHO choosing to spend more and more money is based on the internal numbers they have access to that you don't.

They can see every single person watching boxing on the Showtime app and Showtime Anytime. They can see the day new people sign up and they know big fights lead to a huge boost.

Use some common sense. HBO kept spending less on boxing because boxing wasn't working for them, while SHO kept spending more on boxing, because boxing clearly is working for them. Now SHO is about to invest the most they've ever invested and just signed their first ever multi-year deal with a boxing content provider since Tyson got out of prison.

It's three years guaranteed. I know that. You know that. Hearn knows that. You, me and Hearn all know Showtime isn't leaving boxing next year. Hearn is clearly lying when he says he wouldn't be surprised if Showtime quit boxing next year. Don't play dumb.

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this is actually a lie because Showtime may leave the network and go with an APP.

Showtime is an app. What the hell are you talking about?

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It's three years guaranteed. I know that. You know that. Hearn knows that. You, me and Hearn all know Showtime isn't leaving boxing next year. Hearn is clearly lying when he says he wouldn't be surprised if Showtime quit boxing next year. Don't play dumb.

I wouldnt be surprised either. You like to act as if all these billion dollar companies bounce their strategies off you before they make decisions, but sadly your opinion is no more valid then Hearns, or mine for that matter. Truth is that you havent the slightest idea what Moonves replacement might or might not do as it pertains to content. They could easily follow HBOs lead and dump live sports next year (despite whatever side deal Espinoza and Haymon might have). You dont know. You're not in the room.

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We don't know that he knows that for a fact. You may be privy to the details of Showtime's deal with PBC, but that doesn't guarantee that, Hearn, a competitor of PBC is.

If I know the key points in Hearn's DAZN deal, I can promise you Hearn knows the key points in Haymon's SHO deal. People talk. Haymon doesn't, but Espinoza does, Dibella does, Finkel does, etc.

It didn't take long for people to find out Hearn only had two years guaranteed with DAZN. Word got out about FOX wanting PBC exclusively and Haymon staying loyal to SHO. The idea that SHO is going to pull out in a year when they're the most successful boxing network right now is absolutely ridiculous.

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I wouldnt be surprised either.

Well, you are the guy who swore up and down that FOX would never give PBC a paid deal in a million years, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised by what surprises you.

SHO began dominating boxing so much that HBO had to quit. SHO was so afraid of losing Haymon to another network that they offered more money, more dates and a three year guarantee.

If you look at those facts and come to the conclusion that they're going to leave the sport in one year when they just signed a contract guaranteeing three years, you're an even bigger moron than I already thought.

Guess, as usual, I'll have to bump this thread in a year to remind you over and over what a ****ing idiot you are. We can go back to our arguments a year ago and I was proven right on every single point and you were proven wrong on every single point. Guess you haven't learned yet.

See ya in a year buddy.

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I have no problem with promoters lying, they all do it.

100% correct. Their primary job is to lie.

The difference is that UK fans for some reason believe everything Hearn says, while US fans have known for 50 years not to believe what promoters say.

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An average of one fight or less a month won't attract subscribers doe.
It almost grinds to a halt in the last quarters of the year with the excuse of being riddled with other sports events.
If you can't compete with other sports, then leave the boxing business.
It's not for you.

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Well, you are the guy who swore up and down that FOX would never give PBC a paid deal in a million years, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised by what surprises you.

SHO began dominating boxing so much that HBO had to quit. SHO was so afraid of losing Haymon to another network that they offered more money, more dates and a three year guarantee.

If you look at those facts and come to the conclusion that they're going to leave the sport in one year when they just signed a contract guaranteeing three years, you're an even bigger moron than I already thought.

Guess, as usual, I'll have to bump this thread in a year to remind you over and over what a ****ing idiot you are. We can go back to our arguments a year ago and I was proven right on every single point and you were proven wrong on every single point. Guess you haven't learned yet.

See ya in a year buddy.

Yes, I was VERY surprised that a broadcast network did as paid deal for top-level boxing. So what? It still remains to be seen whether top-level fights can be supported via traditional advertising. Fox took a leap of faith here, and time will tell if it was a smart play for them, or ends up a bust. Its never been done before, so you might want to wait a year or 2 before you start sucking your own ****.


And as far as Showtime "dominating" over the past few years, if you call a bump of maybe 50,000 viewers (out of tens of millions) "dominating", then we obviously have different definitions of the word.


And I'll definitely give you one thing, you are consistent. Whether posting under St Laurent, Original Zero, or this WBC name, you still are an obnoxious twat who always seems to think he is the smartest guy in the room.