Comments Thread For: Frank Warren Reacts To Saunders Denied License, MSAC Lawsuit

[KnickTillDeaTh]

WBO president Paco Valcarcel claims the sanctioning body will strip Saunders if the Massachusetts Commission refuse to let him face Andrade. You want more? Here it is; The facts that you claim that I don't have. Please tell me is there anything about an investigation there and again show me where is the conjecture?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxin...-lose-13325802

I have already explained in my previous post. In your original post you said Saunders admitted to using the drug, he didn't. You said he was stripped, he wasn't, you said he was already suspended for 6 months, he's not. Now you are hanging on to a quote from Hearn not the WBO and using that to justify the lies you presented above. Your lies are based on a quote from Hearn, which did not have any bearing on the actual outcome, which means you formulated an opinion based on incomplete information, which is the definition of conjecture. As I detailed clearly in my previous post, the WBO by laws for a failed drug test dictate that there has to be an investigation before a champion is stripped.

Here is a quote which is directly from WBO Twitter unlike your Hearn quote.

"Once Mass, be final wbo championship committee will order BJS to show why wbo shouldn't declare the title vacant BJS has the right to appeal any decision before the grievances committee according to Rule 34 of wbo Rules and Regulations"

Not only did you lie, but the quote you presented was never said by the WBO, it was Hearn stirring the pot. Not only that, Hearn came off that stance later saying he had a back up fight ready for the vacant belt incase Saunders was stripped. Man you are getting slaughtered left and right here, I humbly suggest that you bow out of this one.

[Redd Foxx]

Lol...listen to this guy admit his fighter was busted but insisting that the technicality should let him get away with it.

Such a bad look. Better to back off gracefully rather than push the issue.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Ok fine; You are right. He has not been suspended as of yet but the president of the WBO said that they will. However, I stand by my conviction that he did admit to using Oxilofrine in the past. That's why he didn't protest the B sample because he had already admitted to using it. In addition, the quote that claims the that the WBO sanctioning body will strip Saunders if the Massachusetts Commission refuse to let him face Andrade. Those were not Eddie Hearn quotes but were those of President's Paco Valcarcel of the WBO sanctioning body. He had threaten to strip Saunders of the title weeks prior before Saunders allegedly gave up his title before being stripped. So to me at least, all of this sounds very suspect to me. So the big question is, was the WBO lying then when they had threaten to strip Billy Joe Saunders of his title if the Massachusetts Commission refuse to let him face Andrade or are they lying now in order to save face and protect Warren and whatever reputation Billy Joe Saunders has left. My intuition tells me that it is the latter.

The problem is there is not a single place where I can find anything from the WBO saying they were going to strip Saunders. The article you linked to, was a quote from Hearn, where he's claiming he was told that by the WBO, which I don't believe he was because later he said he had a fight ready in case Saunders was stripped. I read the article it is clearly referencing Hearns quote. There is not a single article which is quoted directly from the WBO stating they were going to strip Saunders.

[champion4ever]

I have already explained in my previous post. In your original post you said Saunders admitted to using the drug, he didn't. You said he was stripped, he wasn't, you said he was already suspended for 6 months, he's not. Now you are hanging on to a quote from Hearn not the WBO and using that to justify the lies you presented above. Your lies are based on a quote from Hearn, which did not have any bearing on the actual outcome, which means you formulated an opinion based on incomplete information, which is the definition of conjecture. As I detailed clearly in my previous post, the WBO by laws for a failed drug test dictate that there has to be an investigation before a champion is stripped.

Here is a quote which is directly from WBO Twitter unlike your Hearn quote.

"Once Mass, be final wbo championship committee will order BJS to show why wbo shouldn't declare the title vacant BJS has the right to appeal any decision before the grievances committee according to Rule 34 of wbo Rules and Regulations"

Not only did you lie, but the quote you presented was never said by the WBO, it was Hearn stirring the pot. Not only that, Hearn came off that stance later saying he had a back up fight ready for the vacant belt incase Saunders was stripped. Man you are getting slaughtered left and right here, I humbly suggest that you bow out of this one.

Ok fine; You are right. He has not been suspended as of yet but the president of the WBO said that he will. However, I stand by my conviction that he did admit to using Oxilofrine in the past. That's why he didn't protest the B sample because he had already admitted to using it. In addition, the quote that claims that the WBO sanctioning body will strip Saunders if the Massachusetts Commission refuse to let him face Andrade. Those were not Eddie Hearn's quotes but were those of President's Paco Valcarcel of the WBO sanctioning body. He had threaten to strip Saunders of the title weeks prior before Saunders allegedly gave up his title before being stripped. So to me at least, all of this sounds very suspect to me. So the big question is, was the WBO lying then when they had threaten to strip Billy Joe Saunders of his title if the Massachusetts Commission refuse to let him face Andrade or are they lying now in order to save face and protect Warren and whatever reputation Billy Joe Saunders has left. My intuition tells me that it is the latter.

[champion4ever]

The problem is there is not a single place where I can find anything from the WBO saying they were going to strip Saunders. The article you linked to, was a quote from Hearn, where he's claiming he was told that by the WBO, which I don't believe he was because later he said he had a fight ready in case Saunders was stripped. I read the article it is clearly referencing Hearns quote. There is not a single article which is quoted directly from the WBO stating they were going to strip Saunders.

Ok fine, suit yourself. Maybe this quote will help recollect your memory. "The World Boxing Organisation has said that, if Saunders isn’t licensed by Massachusetts, it will strip the Hatfield ace of his title". The entire link to the article is below:

https://www.boxingscene.com/andrade-vs-kautondokwa-wbo-belt-if-saunders-stripped--132288

['b']

LOL @ BJS and team bytching and whining, if it were Andrade that tested positive he'd be calling him a cheating scumbag and demanding a ban just like he did with Canelo.

BJS gets no sympathy from me, boxing is better without him and his idiotic antics and foul behaviour

['b']

Ok fine, suit yourself. Maybe this quote will help recollect your memory. "The World Boxing Organisation has said that, if Saunders isn’t licensed by Massachusetts, it will strip the Hatfield ace of his title". The entire link to the article is below:

https://www.boxingscene.com/andrade-...ripped--132288

Please, please be true! They want Andrade to fight for the interim belt, if they make it for the full title I will be very hapy. First off because BJS will be stripped (thus receiving his just desserts) and secondly because Andrade signed up to fight for a belt, it isn't his fault BJS is a cheating POS so he should be fighting for the ful title, screw that interim crap

[champion4ever]

Lol...listen to this guy admit his fighter was busted but insisting that the technicality should let him get away with it.

Such a bad look. Better to back off gracefully rather than push the issue.

Exactly, the nerve of some people. The boy got popped for doping but instead of announcing to the world that he had indeed been stripped of his WBO belt.

Frank Warren and the WBO got together in order to save face and spare Saunders an embarrassment; By making it look like Billy Joe Saunders was the one who voluntarily relinquished his WBO title belt when in actuality everyone knows that he was stripped of it.

The reason I say that because the WBO had already promised and threatened to have Saunders stripped of its title belt if he wasn't licensed by the state of Massachusetts. That's a fact that a lot of his fans would like to forget and ignore.

It as if they are almost in denial or many may just very well be in denial one. I don't know.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Ok fine, suit yourself. Maybe this quote will help recollect your memory. "The World Boxing Organisation has said that, if Saunders isn’t licensed by Massachusetts, it will strip the Hatfield ace of his title". The entire link to the article is below:

https://www.boxingscene.com/andrade-...ripped--132288

Lol, again read the article, they did not quote the WBO they are saying the WBO has said, which again is based on what Hearn told them. I just dont understand why you dont get this. It's beyond me why your not getting this fact. Both Articles are not quoting the WBO, show me a quote directly from the WBO that does not include the Hearn interview.

[champion4ever]

Lol, again read the article, they did not quote the WBO they are saying the WBO has said, which again is based on what Hearn told them. I just dont understand why you dont get this. It's beyond me why your not getting this fact. Both Articles are not quoting the WBO, show me a quote directly from the WBO that does not include the Hearn interview.

You are in deep denial my friend. Why does it always have to be about what Eddie Hearn has told them? Why couldn't it have come from the interviewer himself?

Now you are the one doing the conjecturing. True, they did interview Hearn but their is no concrete evidence or proof that Hearn told them that the WBO would strip Saunders of its title if he wasn't licensed by the state of Massachusetts.

You are relying solely on intellect rather than any empirical evidence. However, all the empirical evidence show that Saunders is no longer champion and the title that he once held is now vacant. In addition, he is about to be suspended for six months. These are facts that can be actually proven with no conjecture involved.