Comments Thread For: Conte Supports Decision To Deny License To Billy Joe Saunders

[champion4ever]

BJS has not been stripped of his title!

He may end up getting stripped, but as of now, BJS is still the WBO MW champion.

If you're saying he has been stripped, then post a link to wherever it was that you think you saw that reported. Otherwise, stop pestering me with this rubbish.

Then what the hell is he appealing for then? You are sounding a bit disingenuous in your arguments.

No matter what the WBO rules he is still banned from that Oct 22 card. He is still not allowed, permitted, sanctioned or even licensed to fight in that state of Massachusetts; Let alone the venue to even defend that WBO MW title.

That sounds like he has been stripped of it to me. If it's not then I don't know what is.

He is only the WBO MW champion pending an appeal and a final ruling. So quit lying. You are intelligent sir.

If he is indeed the WBO Middleweight champion then he will be fighting on Oct 22 then in Massachusetts but he is not because he is no longer the champ.

[bigdunny1]

Do you want to accept my bet or not, weasel?

Didn't you predict that GGG would KO Canelo? And then that Saunders would still fight Andrade because the Massachusetts commission would license him? So your predictions have been shyt. My point is you have no clue what will happen but you didn't say let's wait and see how it plays out with canelo before you called him a drug cheat you hypocrite bytch. And what the phuk do I gain by betting you? You either do like most do around and just create a new alt or maybe use one of your 15 alts going forward. Whoopy phuking doo. I prefer you stick around with this username and I keep exposing your fraud phuk boy azzz.

So do I!

He's coming from a position of bias due to him being part of Andrade's team.

VADA said the oxilofrine could have resulted from the presence of a legal dose of ephedrine. How was BJS supposed to know that could happen?

He's a boxer, not a chemist!

As for this stuff being such a powerful drug for a boxer to use .. wouldn't that depend on how much of it he had in his system?

I'm damned sure there won't be any over the counter nasal decongestants that could have such a powerful effect as that on people who bought them and used them just to get rid of a stuffy nose!

You phuking fraud so when canelo said all he did was eat meat in his country I'm a boxer not chemist how am I to know all the ways legal meat can cause this to happen you said

A Mexican boxer who knows he is about to start VADA testing for a high profile mega fight might decide that not eating meat in restaurants till after the fight is over would be a good idea. Just a thought.

This and million other posts days after his failed test saying it's his job to research and know what he puts in his body and no excuses for not knowing and said he was lying and a cheat. Now that it's a fighter you suck dyck for you flip flop LMAO

Saunders had larger trace amounts of a drug that is 10X more powerful and we can't rush to judge and it's not his fault for not knowing what he put in his body after he signed up for VADA drug test? kafkod logic

[Ake-Dawg]

No, the only substance flagged by VADA was oxilofrine. And they said it could have been there because of a legal dose of ephedrine.

VADA have a duty to report their test results, and it's up to the sanctioning and licensing commisions to decide whether to bring charges because of those results.

No charges have been brought by anybody against BJS. So as far as I'm concerned, he is innocent of cheating.

Where exactly are the "charges" supposed to come from. VADA reports results of tests and what the amount of banned substance found in the body is consistent with. The commissions and the sanctioning bodies then react to the report with suspensions and/or fines. As far as I know, the winner of the Andrade/Kamodaka(sp) will be interim WBO champ and elevated to champion should BJS not win the appeal. So as it stands, Massachusetts Athletic Commission refused to grant a license and the WBO provisionally stripped BJS barring appeal.

I'm not sure what charges you're waiting on.

[Citizen Koba]

I agree with this. If this oxilofrine is such a potent PED what the hell is it doing in nasal spray anyone can get without a prescription? Next thing you know coffee and tea will be banned as stimulants. This holier than thou Conte used to help athletes to cheat. He should use his high tec conditioning program on himself modified for his older age. He is really fat. He is way too happy and celebrating Saunders's fate.

Irony is of course is that caffeine is probably the most widely used performance enhancer there is and is almost certainly just as efficacious, if not more so, than many of the other stimulants on the banned list. Problem is how do you go about banning caffeine when it's pretty much ubiquitous in every day life. Same problem as banning alcohol alongside the various other mind altering substances under drug law. The damn stuff is just too widely used and too easy to produce even though any consistent drug enforcement policy would recognise that it's just as dangerous as any other drug - more so than most, in fact.

[kafkod]

Where exactly are the "charges" supposed to come from. VADA reports results of tests and what the amount of banned substance found in the body is consistent with. The commissions and the sanctioning bodies then react to the report with suspensions and/or fines. As far as I know, the winner of the Andrade/Kamodaka(sp) will be interim WBO champ and elevated to champion should BJS not win the appeal. So as it stands, Massachusetts Athletic Commission refused to grant a license and the WBO provisionally stripped BJS barring appeal.

I'm not sure what charges you're waiting on.

VADA report their test results, the licencing and sanctioning bodies then decide whether to react to those results by bringing charges of PED abuse against a fighter.

A fighter cannot be fined or suspended for PED abuse unless he is charged and an enquiry is held. If that doesn't happen, then he is considered to be clean, by WADA and all the other bodies involved.

No PED charges will be brought against BJS because he has not broken any WADA rules.

But .. a fighter does not need to be guilty of PED abuse to be denied a licence to fight in any particular country or state, or to be stripped of a world title. There are all kinds of other reasons why those things might happen.

[kafkod]

Irony is of course is that caffeine is probably the most widely used performance enhancer there is and is almost certainly just as efficacious, if not more so, than many of the other stimulants on the banned list. Problem is how do you go about banning caffeine when it's pretty much ubiquitous in every day life. Same problem as banning alcohol alongside the various other mind altering substances under drug law. The damn stuff is just too widely used and too easy to produce even though any consistent drug enforcement policy would recognise that it's just as dangerous as any other drug - more so than most, in fact.

Caffeine is banned above a certain threshold limit "during performance"

So yes, a boxer could be banned and stripped of a title for drinking too much coffee on fight day!

[maracho]

BJ Saunders said it himself, if you get busted with PEDs you should be banned for life! What BJ Saunders took was 10 times stronger than what clenbuterol and BJ Saunders said you should be banned for life if you take Clenbuterol.

Note: WADA doesn't care about Clenbuterol either.

Link?

VADA is just an intermediary contractor so probably no power to ban anyone except from their own program. I would like to know why the Massachusetts Commission came to use part of Andrade's team to do the testing

Oxilofrine is only banned during competition because of its a temporary PED

Clenbuterol on the other hand is a very long lasting PED

Hope that helps

[Citizen Koba]

Caffeine is banned above a certain threshold limit "during performance"

So yes, a boxer could be banned and stripped of a title for drinking too much coffee on fight day!

You sure about that, man?

https://www.wada-ama.org/en/content/...in-competition

* Bupropion, caffeine, nicotine, phenylephrine, phenylpropanolamine, pipradrol, and synephrine: These substances are included in the 2018 Monitoring Program, and are not considered Prohibited Substances.

Under consistent rules it probably should be though.

[Citizen Koba]

BJ Saunders said it himself, if you get busted with PEDs you should be banned for life! What BJ Saunders took was 10 times stronger than what clenbuterol and BJ Saunders said you should be banned for life if you take Clenbuterol.

Note: WADA doesn't care about Clenbuterol either.

https://www.wada-ama.org/en/content/...nabolic-agents

2. Other Anabolic Agents

Including, but not limited to:
Clenbuterol
Selective androgen receptor modulators (SARMs), e.g. andarine, LGD-4033, ostarine and RAD140;
Tibolone
Zeranol
Zilpaterol

And incidentally Conte's comment about Oxilofrine being 10x as potent as Clenbuterol is utterly meaningless out of context. They are different drugs used in different ways at different dosages for different purposes. No responsible scientist would make such a claim. If anything the inverse is true, best I've been able to tell. The****utic dosage levels of Oxilofrine appear to be an order of magnitude higher than that of Clenbuterol, implying that the drug itself is much less potent by mass, although again, such a comparison is in effect meaningless since they do different things.

[kafkod]

You sure about that, man?

https://www.wada-ama.org/en/content/...in-competition



Under consistent rules it probably should be though.

I know that it was banned, above a certain limit, and I just checked it's current status - unbanned in 2004, and expected to be banned again last year.

Whether it actually was banned again last year, I don't know yet. Here's a link to the article I just read.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/more-s...52d15839aa51b6