Comments Thread For: Wilder's Team Have 'No Desire' For New Meeting on Joshua Deal

[Scipio2009]

No, you only have business meetings after you've agreed upon everything you would be discussing at that meeting.

Or something like that.

You sit down to close the deal after the outline of the deal is already in place. 60/40 Joshua split for the fight in the UK, with a handshake to talk about a rematch, would be enough to warrant a meeting.

And then, in the meeting, you can discuss the rematch clauses (if one should be added), the US TV for the event, event sponsors, the press tour for the event, the date being locked in, etc.

[Marchegiano]

I dunno why you ******* accept such ***** excuses. Everyone you brought up has a history of avoidance regardless of Wilder.

Wlad never fought a vol in his career....but yeah Wilder ducked him...sure...you're not a proppagandist ****.

Povetkin's whole goddamn resume is a testament to avoiding. If his ass didn't avoid lining himself up for a title his ass would have stopped someone at some point in his career from fighting for a title. Propagandist **** that you are you'll brag about who he beat but when talking about when he beat them we hear crickets yeah?

Joshua had to be embarrassed into fighting Martin.

hmmmm...Yeah, it's Wilder who ducks, sure.

As long as you can turn Shelly agreeing with Wlad around into Wilder ducking Wlad who gives a **** about Wlad's career long stance on voluntary fights.

As long as you can ride Povetkin's **** based off names who gives a **** that he's never beaten anyone of worth when they had winning momentum on their side.

As long as you can pretend Joshua has done something special in his first 22 fights who gives a **** about him being a hesitant ***** the whole time?

Y'all remember when Wilder was ducking Bermane? Want me to find your dumbass posts for you?

How about the time Povetkin was doing a press conference for a fight with Wach where he said if he beats Wach he'd need more time to prepare for Wilder causing an extension on the mandatory which of course you dumbasses pretended meant Wilder was ducking Pov?

Oh, how about when Wilder called out Price, Fury, Chambers, and Pulev in 2012 and got told he needs a better resume by their sides? That was back when youse claimed Wilder was ducking top tens, remember?

How about when Wilder called out Fury before the Hammer fight and Fury said Wilder's too risky and he's not risking a shot at Wlad which of course in fantasy Wilder can do nothing right land means Wilder ducked Fury, remember that?

Wilder always gets told no and the fans always blame him for it. You can't get more absurd than you *******s were when Bermane and Sasha were asking for more time and you blamed Wilder for it. You're ****in' delusional.

[doom_specialist]

far too difficult, and far too laden with excuses/escape hatches

what is wrong with a simple percentage, like everyone else ?

they gave Parker 32.5% lol.... that fact is never going to disappear

It's the one fact that you can keep repeating, even more than the $80M duck lol

[Scipio2009]

There's never a peep about wilder wanting a rematch clause from those blaming Hearn for negotiations breaking down.😂

Either both have a mutual rematch clause, or neither has a rematch clause (but a handshake to sit and talk about one were it to make sense).

Let's keep things clear

[Scipio2009]

you're right, but 35% would get it done

THAT is the split that Finkel referred to, or at least in that ballpark

why won't they even offer Wilder 35% ?

I know why lol..... and so do all of the excuse-making shltters

The number to get the deal done is likely higher than that not, tbh.

Still, it's not that complicated an outline

[Scipio2009]

the same flat fee nonsense that these guys said was ridiculous for Pacquiao

the same flat fee nonsense that these guys said was ridiculous for Golovkin

if Joshua will not offer Wilder 35%, then he is OBVIOUSLY ducking that fight..... because they offered Parker 32.5%, and Wilder is obviously worth more

it should be 40%, but 35% would get it done..... and they ABSOLUTELY know that, because Wilder accepted $15mil last time..... necessitating them to quickly shlt the bed and run for the hills

Point of order; the flat fee was offered to Pacquiao when the fight was believed to be worth $100m to the fighters.

Floyd and Oscar split $90m on their fight and Floyd and Canelo split about $90m on their fight, so cutting Pacquiao a 40% piece on the assumption that their fight would earn a 10% premium on the prior record-setting prizefight, and fronting it to him (with Mayweather and his camp holding all of the execution risks) wasn't actually a terrible deal.

The fight taking three years longer to make, with Pacquiao being left for dead by Marquez, losing to Tim Bradley, and middling along behind Top Rank's smoke and mirrors, the fight somehow capturing the public's obsession, and turning a $100m fight to a $400m fight is earnestly unexplainable, tbh.

If you're going to do a flat fee, make it actually based on something.

We know that Anthony Joshua and Wladimir Klitschko split $50m on their fight (plus whatever personal sponsors money that they picked up too).

Assume Joshua-Wilder generates a 10% bump on that ($55m), and price 35% on that, and make that the flat fee offer. Calculator says $19.25m, but let's just call it $19m.

Wilder's camp can set up the meeting with Showtime/CBS to have them carry the US rights to the event, but if they want to do something else, Wilder is already taking a near $20m check to just hurry up and sit.

Wilder gets his fee, and then it'd be on Eddie Hearn and Matchroom Sport to go to Wembley, Sky Box Office, and the assumed DAZN that Hearn is pushing, to generate the proceeds to pay Wilder his money, pay Joshua what Matchroom Sport owes him per their deal, and hopefully not have Matchroom Sport lose too much to cover the event.

[Scipio2009]

Lol.... Why?

When has BT Sport ever put on a PPV event. Beyond that, when has BT Sport ever pushed an event where they turned their audience to a PPV (Sky sure as heck isn't going to help).

There's an infrastructure in place, with Showtime/HBO/Sky Sports/UFC, et al, to turn that type of event over, and those with the experience are best positioned to do thing properly and maximize the event.

Top Rank Boxing has gone with their own PPV for at least three events, with none of the events being successes.

Maybe it was that the matchups weren't any good, or that Bob Arum simply wanted to do the event on the cheap, but there's a distinct difference to how Top Rank delivered their PPV and how HBO would've delivered that same PPV.

That difference will also be rather clear between Sky Box Office and BT Sport PPV.

[Jax teller]

When has BT Sport ever put on a PPV event. Beyond that, when has BT Sport ever pushed an event where they turned their audience to a PPV (Sky sure as heck isn't going to help).

There's an infrastructure in place, with Showtime/HBO/Sky Sports/UFC, et al, to turn that type of event over, and those with the experience are best positioned to do thing properly and maximize the event.

Top Rank Boxing has gone with their own PPV for at least three events, with none of the events being successes.

Maybe it was that the matchups weren't any good, or that Bob Arum simply wanted to do the event on the cheap, but there's a distinct difference to how Top Rank delivered their PPV and how HBO would've delivered that same PPV.

That difference will also be rather clear between Sky Box Office and BT Sport PPV.

Apparently it's a new service, they opened it with the GGG Nelo rematch so they're definitely capable and I don't think people care whether they watch it on Sky or BT tbh.

[Scipio2009]

Apparently it's a new service, they opened it with the GGG Nelo rematch so they're definitely capable and I don't think people care whether they watch it on Sky or BT tbh.

What would you guess that Alvarez-Golovkin 2 did on the new service? Compared to what Sky Box Office draws for US events.

I'm not a Brit, and don't know any British folks to call on, so I have no idea how the event was received in the UK.

[jglvz256]

What would you guess that Alvarez-Golovkin 2 did on the new service? Compared to what Sky Box Office draws for US events.

I'm not a Brit, and don't know any British folks to call on, so I have no idea how the event was received in the UK.

US events don't do that well in the UK anyway because of the time difference (4am fight time).