Is Floyd Really The Lb 4 Lb King?--or Is It Winky?

[Rockin']

Winky can stand just fine with any fighter in his division, the man is simply highly skilled. He wants a welter for the money. In the end its not just about who you beat or who beat you, but how much money you made doing it.

Rockin'

[restless_438]

Winky can stand just fine with any fighter in his division, the man is simply highly skilled. He wants a welter for the money. In the end its not just about who you beat or who beat you, but how much money you made doing it.

Rockin'

This point's true as well...

[PRboxingfan]

This is bull****... again, if it was an advantage for Wright to fight quote unquote "smaller guys" he'd knock them out.. you make it seem like he's going down in weight and overpowering his opponents which is (and this ones for ALL the people making this claim) BULL****...."smaller guys" present just as much of a threat as bigger ones when you're a "boxer"... get off this ****** criticism.

Also you talk as if Margarito is the bottom of the barrel in the welterweight division...

It is an advantage to fight smaller guys. Is it not advantageous for Winky to fight Miguel Cotto as opposed to W. Klitschko? So, Miguel Cotto presents just as much of a threat to Winky as, say, James Toney? I don't think so but that's what you're saying.

Winky has ample fights to make at 160, including the rematch with Taylor which should come before him moving down in weight and fighting smaller guys. The fact is, he knows Taylor would beat him and thus is looking to get away from that fight.

Also, I never said Tony was the bottom of the barrel. I think he's the second best fighter at 147, behind only PBF. Tony's fought at 154 before and looked good doing it, but the fact still remains that Winky is picking on a smaller fighter.

[restless_438]

Also as pointed out here... this is something Shaw has put together, not Wright:

"Originally I was hoping to do Margarito-Mayweather, but Floyd doesn't want any part of Margarito. Then I saw Mayweather, from what I understood, didn't want any part of Winky either. So I figured why the hell not put these guys together. It's a fight I'd want to see," Arum said to the SP Times.

At the present, Wright is unsure about making the fight, due to several factors. He claims the offer received from Arum is not as lucarative as the promoter makes it sound. After staging his last three bouts at the middleweight level of 160 pounds, he is not sure if he wants to move down to 154 pounds to make the fight. Jeff Lacy, a personal friend of Wright, makes his return to the ring on the same day as the proposed Margarito bout. Wright is in no hurry to spoil his friend's return by staging the bout on the same day, and would like to avoid the head-to-head network battle if possibly.

"I wouldn't like that, but if that's the only date, then we'd have to see," Wright said.

[restless_438]

It is an advantage to fight smaller guys. Is it not advantageous for Winky to fight Miguel Cotto as opposed to W. Klitschko? So, Miguel Cotto presents just as much of a threat to Winky as, say, James Toney? I don't think so but that's what you're saying.

Winky has ample fights to make at 160, including the rematch with Taylor which should come before him moving down in weight and fighting smaller guys. The fact is, he knows Taylor would beat him and thus is looking to get away from that fight.

Also, I never said Tony was the bottom of the barrel. I think he's the second best fighter at 147, behind only PBF. Tony's fought at 154 before and looked good doing it, but the fact still remains that Winky is picking on a smaller fighter.

The other point you fail to think about is the Winky would have to make the weight, just as a Margarito would.... the situation seems to me to be considering Margarito as a last resort.


Okay, for adequate MONEY fights (which considering Wright has another 4-5 fights in him, it's what he's looking for), who is there (by name) in the middleweight division? Let's look in-depth at where the big names lie:

Super Middleweight 168:
*Joe Calzaghe (unfortunately not a huge draw in America)
*Jeff Lacy (duh, not fighting a friend in his own camp)
*Now this leaves WHO in this division with a money draw... Anthony Mundine??
*Mikkel Kessler & Markus Beyer (Kessler and Beyer are included as fighters who, regardless of talent, most in America don't know)

Middleweight 160:
*rematch with Taylor (Taylor's people have said they want a tune-up before the rematch)
*Arthur Abraham (it can't be that big a payday when not enough people know who Abraham is, regardless of his talent)
*In short, other than Taylor, there are virtually NO "name" fighters in the division that will provide an adequate payday

Junior Middleweight 154:
*Oscar De La Hoya (as i'm sure everyone knows, made the statement, "No fight in 2006")
*Kassim Ouma & Roman Karmazin (not a "name" = not a big payday)
*Shane Mosley (the point of schooling a third time?)
*Fernando Vargas (Wright won't fight him again after their first meeting)

Welterweight 147:
*Floyd Mayweather (not looking to fight Wright right now)
*Ricky Hatton (big money fight?)
*Antonio Margarito (just got turned down as well by Mayweather, and the schedule looks clear, why not)


So as you can see, currently, the biggest (and most profitable) names lie in the "middle" weight divisions of boxing. There's nothing much in Wright's current division and if he has to make a choice of "up or down", it's gotta be down if he wants money.

[Left2body]

The other point you fail to think about is the Winky would have to make the weight, just as a Margarito would.... the situation seems to me to be considering Margarito as a last resort.


Okay, for adequate MONEY fights (which considering Wright has another 4-5 fights in him, it's what he's looking for), who is there (by name) in the middleweight division? Let's look in-depth at where the big names lie:

Super Middleweight 168:
*Joe Calzaghe (unfortunately not a huge draw in America)
*Jeff Lacy (duh, not fighting a friend in his own camp)
*Now this leaves WHO in this division with a money draw... Anthony Mundine??
*Mikkel Kessler & Markus Beyer (Kessler and Beyer are included as fighters who, regardless of talent, most in America don't know)

Middleweight 160:
*rematch with Taylor (Taylor's people have said they want a tune-up before the rematch)
*Arthur Abraham (it can't be that big a payday when not enough people know who Abraham is, regardless of his talent)
*In short, other than Taylor, there are virtually NO "name" fighters in the division that will provide an adequate payday

Junior Middleweight 154:
*Oscar De La Hoya (as i'm sure everyone knows, made the statement, "No fight in 2006")
*Kassim Ouma & Roman Karmazin (not a "name" = not a big payday)
*Shane Mosley (the point of schooling a third time?)
*Fernando Vargas (Wright won't fight him again after their first meeting)

Welterweight 147:
*Floyd Mayweather (not looking to fight Wright right now)
*Ricky Hatton (big money fight?)
*Antonio Margarito (just got turned down as well by Mayweather, and the schedule looks clear, why not)


So as you can see, currently, the biggest (and most profitable) names lie in the "middle" weight divisions of boxing. There's nothing much in Wright's current division and if he has to make a choice of "up or down", it's gotta be down if he wants money.

I would say that Calzaghe and Kassim Ouma are as big a draw as Margarito at this point in his career. Who other than hard core boxing fans know who Margarito is? Calz was just on TV dominating Jeff Lacey. If money is his consideration then fighting Calz in England for HUGE money might be the way to go. I'm sure that fight would sell out in any English Arena and have good PPV numbers in England and decent PPV numbers here in America.

[restless_438]

I would say that Calzaghe and Kassim Ouma are as big a draw as Margarito at this point in his career. Who other than hard core boxing fans know who Margarito is? Calz was just on TV dominating Jeff Lacy. If money is his consideration then fighting Calz in England for HUGE money might be the way to go. I'm sure that fight would sell out in any English Arena and have good PPV numbers in England and decent PPV numbers here in America.

Yeah, i tend to agree with you there.. i don't know.. the other thing about Calzaghe is the hand injury which has been a factor recently and he already has other fights lined up.

I am a BIG Ouma fan, but i still don't think his name is out there enough for a large payday.

I do agree with you that Margarito isn't the biggest name out there, but his style attracts many..

[Left2body]

Yeah, i tend to agree with you there.. i don't know.. the other thing about Calzaghe is the hand injury which has been a factor recently and he already has other fights lined up.

I am a BIG Ouma fan, but i still don't think his name is out there enough for a large payday.

I do agree with you that Margarito isn't the biggest name out there, but his style attracts many..

Yeah, his style is entertaining. I think Winky is a very good fighter and I hope he makes enough money to leave himself financially secure for the rest of his life but I would prefer to see him go against guys closer to his natural weight.

I think Calz vs Winky would do a tremendous amount for the legacy of who ever wins. Could also have big rematch money tied up into it regardless of who wins....IDK just my feelings on this.

[K-DOGG]

Off of their last performances, I'd say it was neck-n-neck; but I'd give the edge ever so slightly to Floyd.

[jai mari078]

What would that prove? Why not put Winky in with Glen Johnson at Lt. Heavy to see who the better fighter is? I'll tell you why, because Glen fights two divisions above Winky. Even if they met at 168, Glen would pound Winky into oblivion yet you're not putting him down as the P4P champ.

However, Winky's skills are better than Glen's, right? Well, Floyd's are better than Winky's. That's why Floyd is P4P the better fighter.

There's no doubting that Floyd is probably the most skilled boxer in the world right now, but that doesn't make you p4p. If your not using those skills against all the best opposition, it doesn't mean anything. Using those skills against an old worn down Gatti, an overrated Judah that has never beaten a quality opponent coming off a loss to Baldomir,Brusels,Ndou, and whatever other tomatoe can you wanna throw in there. I'm sure I'm gonna get what about Castill and Corrales thrown at me. How long ago was that? When are people going to stop living in the past because thats all I ever here "what about Castiilo and Corrales" In reality Castillo should have gotten the nod in one of those fights. What has Floyd done lately. He can have all the skill in the world but if he's not using it against quality opposition it doesn't mean anything. Winky on the other hand may not be the most exciting fighter but you can't question his opposition and the results he has produced. I have to give Winky the nod based on opposition.