Povetkin is better than Ortiz

[famicommander]

And yet Molina has been in the ring with both Wilder and Joshua and thinks Joshua hits harder. So who are we to believe?

We weren't comparing Joshua and Wilder, we were comparing Ortiz and Povetkin.

But the point was, you blasted that poster and called him a fool for thinking Ortiz hits harder than Povetkin. Then I found someone that has actually been hit by both who disagrees.

So unless you have someone else that has been hit by both, you don't really have a basis for your claim.

Ortiz has
25 knockouts
2 wins by DQ where he was repeatedly punched below the belt because he was dominating
2 knockout wins later changed to no contests (one because of how it was handled when his opponent fell out of the ring, one for PEDs)

So he's only had 2 fights go to the cards. Povetkin has had 10 of his wins come by decision.

[Sid-Knee]

You are definitely cooking tonight. You are kicking the living shit out of these guys when it comes down to logic. None of them can seem to touch you. Well said and excellent job!

Actually, New England has taken somewhat of a spanking. His "Logic" is from that of a mad man. So it's no wonder you agree with him because the two of you are serious level freaks.

[Sid-Knee]

Wrong! Sasha was well past his prime when he faced Joshua as compared when Ortiz challenged Wilder. At least Ortiz outweighed Deontay by some 30 odd lbs and had him nearly out on his feet. However, the moment Joshua touch this small, shot, undersized, old guy he was finished because he had no chin, stamina, reflexes or balance. In addition, Anthony Joshua outweighed him by some 24 odd lbs to begin with.

Did Povetkin nearly fail the medical the way Ortiz did? Was Povetkin on blood pressure pills? Seems to anyone with a brain knows which of them was in better nick. It's obvious.

[uppercut510]

well none of the current HWs that matter are in a rush to fight Ortiz so we may never find out

[Sid-Knee]

We weren't comparing Joshua and Wilder, we were comparing Ortiz and Povetkin.

But the point was, you blasted that poster and called him a fool for thinking Ortiz hits harder than Povetkin. Then I found someone that has actually been hit by both who disagrees.

So unless you have someone else that has been hit by both, you don't really have a basis for your claim.

Ortiz has
25 knockouts
2 wins by DQ where he was repeatedly punched below the belt because he was dominating
2 knockout wins later changed to no contests (one because of how it was handled when his opponent fell out of the ring, one for PEDs)

So he's only had 2 fights go to the cards. Povetkin has had 10 of his wins come by decision.

I thought you were talking about Joshua.

I think Povetkin punches slightly harder, but wouldn't have a problem with anyone thinking they're pretty much the same.

Ortiz has a high KO percentage due to fighting weaker opposition than Povetkin. You should know that your power isn't as effective when you step up the levels. Just look at Golovkin against Canelo and Jacobs.

[Sid-Knee]

well none of the current HWs that matter are in a rush to fight Ortiz so we may never find out

Well if fighters have better options or are tied up with mandatories and such then you have to expect that.

[joseph5620]

You said Wilder didn't lose every round. But he basically did. A couple of the rounds went to Wilder due to the knockdowns, but outside of those rounds? Nah. So yeah, you're in a minority.

If you're claiming otherwise, what was your score card after 9 rounds?

He didn't lose the 5th. If you scored that round for Ortiz you're an idiot.I never scored the fight so I'm not in the minority. I already tried to explain to you that the dispute was about the official scorecards. Not my scorecard.

This response is so ****** that it's laughable. You claim Wilder lost every round and then say he only won the rounds with the knockdowns. If you're too dumb to see the contradiction in that dont bother responding to me after this.

[Sid-Knee]

He didn't lose the 5th. If you scored that round for Ortiz you're an idiot.I never scored the fight so I'm not in the minority. I already tried to explain to you that the dispute was about the official scorecards. Not my scorecard.

This response is so ****** that it's laughable. You claim Wilder lost every round and then say he only won the rounds with the knockdowns. If you're too dumb to see the contradiction in that dont bother responding to me after this.

Your reading comprehension is shocking. I said he basically won all the rounds apart from the rounds Wilder knocked him down. Of course Wilder won those rounds.

Care to give me your scorecard of the fight? You think Wilder was winning by the time the stoppage came right? So give me your break down.

[LacedUp]

Well let me ask you this question then. How many times do you think Povetkin probably was doping and used PEDS in the past over in that part of the world but has never been caught or popped? My answer is several but what say you?

I never thought I would meet a fan, so in love wth a fighter that he’d accuse one fighters doping of being worse than another.

You need therapy bro.

[LacedUp]

Wrong! Sasha was well past his prime when he faced Joshua as compared when Ortiz challenged Wilder. At least Ortiz outweighed Deontay by some 30 odd lbs and had him nearly out on his feet. However, the moment Joshua touch this small, shot, undersized, old guy he was finished because he had no chin, stamina, reflexes or balance. In addition, Anthony Joshua outweighed him by some 24 odd lbs to begin with.

The only facts that count are that Povetkin has a much much better resume than Ortiz. Better wins, has held a belt before, had a gold medal, has fought at the top level since he turned pro.

And Ortiz has done neither of those things.