Why Danny Garcia Fails as a Fighter

[billeau2]

I stated in my conclusion, that I don't know how much more Danny Garcia can develop going forward. I only suggested a change in trainers, because we've seen now that Danny's lost twice with Angel, and I doubt the Porter L will be his last. If he didn't have anything which needed to be addressed, he wouldn't have needed a gift decision against Herrera, or lost twice at 147. I've already stated what I see wrong with Danny Garcia, both in mentality and fighting style. It's all in my original post.


Broner's case is different. Broner is his own worst enemy, and doesn't take the sport very seriously. I think he needs a therapist more than anything else right now.

Broner also tries desperately to hang in the pocket at higher weights, while using a shoulder roll incorrectly. he does not throw enough punches, he is reactive instead of proactive. These are habits that a trainer could address. Danny has good punching techique, he does not have fast feet...thats a shame, he could work on that I suppose. Garcia times punchers well, he counter punches well. Broner? does not really counter punch much at all, depends on his power at the lighter weights and it does not carry up.

See some differences? Thats all I am pointing out. One thing that stands out is that Broner has natural ability in spades, Garcia is at the top of his ability range imo.

[billeau2]

he's literally never beaten a top 10 fighter there. how can that be a great run?

Its all relative. Ottke was undefeated.... he never beat an egg!!

[daggum]

Ok one by one:

I agree with your first point. I said "I would love" because the fact of the matter is, it would be grand indeed if there was a perfection of a fighter out there, but I know you did not say this.

Your forgetting the point Redd made: this is the elite of the elite. I grew up in a neghborhood like Danny's and every Puerto Rican kid I knew, had family that had some sort of a basement rigged to box. yet out of my hood? benitz and Camacho two elite fighters.... We have our limits. Danny does not have the stuff to necessarily be better. He is technically more sound than you give him credit for, its not like he is being exposed because of technical errors.

Your third point: You seem to have an absolute mindset about these levels you speak of. You do not train someone well enough and then become useless. Boxing is about approach, trust, ability and time...There is no magic line that says Angel is no longer qualified. And weight is a big factor in ability! A lot of guys cannot make a change that way...their punch does not carry, they don't have the speed, can't keep the weight off between fights...

I don't think one can attribute these things to Angel. I will see you responded to my other post, maybe you convinced me that like Broner the right coach could change Garcia...I truly keep an open mind, as long as my brains don't fall out.

danny garcia cares about puerto rico about as much as donald trump

[daggum]

Its all relative. Ottke was undefeated.... he never beat an egg!!

what! ottke beat several top 10 fighters they were just usually robberies but who cares about robberies? ward-kovaelv showed us that winning is the only thing that matters

[billeau2]

danny garcia cares about puerto rico about as much as donald trump

And? Whats your point? 'Do you understand what my point was?

Do you know how many Puerto Ricans were in my neighborhood of East Harlem? Not to mention, Dominicans, Cubans, Central Americans....We actually had no Mexicans yet! LOL. ALL these kids came from families where they were exposed to fighting, because we fought as kids, as a white kid I fought to get home half the time,,, and many of these kids had grandpas, and dads who entered them in boxing programs, or they trained in make shift gyms...... There were probably almost as many of these families as in Puerto Rico!

So, follow me now D, follow me... OUT of alllll these kids, practicing a sport, some of whom were fast, skilled, etc....I can give you two exactly two guys who made it big in boxing, off the top of my head. Camacho and benitez lived in East Harlem and Puerto Rico off and on. Now stay with me! For Danny Garcia to become a decent professional fighter, much less a champion, given these odds? Well, Angel must be doing something right because Garcia is nowhere near as naturally talented as Camacho was, or Benitez.

Similar situation: as a 13 year old I could throw a baseball from center field to home plate. I played in travelling teams... again, how many professional ball players made it from East Harlem? One that I know of, the immortal Rod Carew, one of the best natural hitters in the game...This despite how many kids who played ball? Get a sense of the scale D... There is probably 100,00 people plus in that area... I was probably in the 1% of 1 with my arm... big deal! california probably had 100 kids who could do the same thing, half of them who could hit a ball better, etc... Thats what it means to make the major leagues, another example of what I am saying regarding Garcia

Now do you see the point?

[daggum]

And? Whats your point? 'Do you understand what my point was?

Do you know how many Puerto Ricans were in my neighborhood of East Harlem? Not to mention, Dominicans, Cubans, Central Americans....We actually had no Mexicans yet! LOL. ALL these kids came from families where they were exposed to fighting, because we fought as kids, as a white kid I fought to get home half the time,,, and many of these kids had grandpas, and dads who entered them in boxing programs, or they trained in make shift gyms...... There were probably almost as many of these families as in Puerto Rico!

So, follow me now D, follow me... OUT of alllll these kids, practicing a sport, some of whom were fast, skilled, etc....I can give you two exactly two guys who made it big in boxing, off the top of my head. Camacho and benitez lived in East Harlem and Puerto Rico off and on. Now stay with me! For Danny Garcia to become a decent professional fighter, much less a champion, given these odds? Well, Angel must be doing something right because Garcia is nowhere near as naturally talented as Camacho was, or Benitez.

Similar situation: as a 13 year old I could throw a baseball from center field to home plate. I played in travelling teams... again, how many professional ball players made it from East Harlem? One that I know of, the immortal Rod Carew, one of the best natural hitters in the game...This despite how many kids who played ball? Get a sense of the scale D... There is probably 100,00 people plus in that area... I was probably in the 1% of 1 with my arm... big deal! california probably had 100 kids who could do the same thing, half of them who could hit a ball better, etc... Thats what it means to make the major leagues, another example of what I am saying regarding Garcia

Now do you see the point?

oh no i got your point i was just making fun of garia for trying to market himself as puerto rican and failing miserably but as a boxer he made it. boxing doens't have the biggest talent pool i mean wilders fighting guys like charlie zelenoff so there was space available for guys like garcia who weren't as mentally challenged as charlie z

[Ray Corso]

He looks in condition and ready to fight on his dates! The biggest problem I see with his recent fights is a lack of planning "how" to fight a particular opponent.
His fathers corner persona seems to the "tough guy" approach that can work for a round or two depending on a fighters psyche.
He doesn't seem to break the opponent down and give instructions on how Danny can capitalize.
He talks WAY to much and is far to excitable. The calm collected corner gives a fighter a chance to relax their breathing and mind for 30-40 seconds.
His actions remind me a movie seen in a fight sequence, really immature and not how to run a corner.
The guy knows where the camera light is at all times!

Ray

[dibzvincent143]

I don’t think he’s a fail of a fighter unless you expected too much from him. Maybe he’s just at level where he should be. A lot of guys like that have passed in the past Danny is no different. They didn’t fail, they are right on their level.
He has fallen short to good competitions and that’s no shame considering how he lost weren’t even by blowouts. Was he exposed? No they were good stylistic match ups.

Unless you expected him to be to be a champion in 4 divisions then he is currently a fail.
Nothing of sorts indicated that Danny can achieve that even way back 2010. We weren’t even expecting him to KO glass chin Khan. Or **** with Matthysse.

I’m enjoying his career, so should everyone.
Will he reach more? We don’t know.

If u wanna refer to fails those are the hypejobs. Like broner, gamboa, ortiz, juanma. They didn’t live up close to their hype.

As Danny surpassed a few of his.

[daggum]

I don’t think he’s a fail of a fighter unless you expected too much from him. Maybe he’s just at level where he should be. A lot of guys like that have passed in the past Danny is no different. They didn’t fail, they are right on their level.
He has fallen short to good competitions and that’s no shame considering how he lost weren’t even by blowouts. Was he exposed? No they were good stylistic match ups.

Unless you expected him to be to be a champion in 4 divisions then he is currently a fail.
Nothing of sorts indicated that Danny can achieve that even way back 2010. We weren’t even expecting him to KO glass chin Khan. Or **** with Matthysse.

I’m enjoying his career, so should everyone.
Will he reach more? We don’t know.

If u wanna refer to fails those are the hypejobs. Like broner, gamboa, ortiz, juanma. They didn’t live up close to their hype.

As Danny surpassed a few of his.

not everyone can be as great as broner

[Slicc]

Ok one by one:

I agree with your first point. I said "I would love" because the fact of the matter is, it would be grand indeed if there was a perfection of a fighter out there, but I know you did not say this.

What do you think I said? I think there's some kind of misunderstanding here.

Your forgetting the point Redd made: this is the elite of the elite. I grew up in a neghborhood like Danny's and every Puerto Rican kid I knew, had family that had some sort of a basement rigged to box. yet out of my hood? benitz and Camacho two elite fighters.... We have our limits.

I called Danny Garcia mediocre, not complete rubbish. Who cares if he's better than a bunch of no-name fighters with no future in the sport? You don't get brownie points for outperforming cans. If being better than trash boxers was such an accomplishment, every world level boxer would be bragging about it. This reminds of me the whole "there are no such things as bums," argument. Why do you think Deontay Wilder gets so much shit for all the cab drivers on his resume, despite being a world champion? While it might seem impressive to someone like Redd, not everyone has such low standards. Garcia has already shown us that he can beat bums, so we hold him up to a higher standard than bums. Even then, his statement has nothing to do with the point I was trying to make. When did I ever state that Garcia sucks because he's not the best welterweight? I more or less said he's failing, because he's losing, and doesn't seem like he's addressing flaws which are causing him to lose. I also said that a new trainer could help him with his issues as a fighter.

Danny does not have the stuff to necessarily be better. He is technically more sound than you give him credit for, its not like he is being exposed because of technical errors.

I gave him credit for what he did right, but the topic was primarily focused on what needs improvement. I gave Garcia the most credit for his chin, because it's what helps him the most against high level opposition in his current weight division. He has a good sense of timing, but it didn't win him fights against Thurman or Porter. Those no-look hooks hit Porter flush, but couldn't keep him away.

Your third point: You seem to have an absolute mindset about these levels you speak of. You do not train someone well enough and then become useless. Boxing is about approach, trust, ability and time...There is no magic line that says Angel is no longer qualified. And weight is a big factor in ability! A lot of guys cannot make a change that way...their punch does not carry, they don't have the speed, can't keep the weight off between fights...

Danny had Angel by his side his whole career, and now he's losing consistently against top level fighters, while his dad keeps going on about how Danny deserved to win. Clearly, something that needs to be changed, isn't. Garcia doesn't look much different at 147, than he did at 140, which is the problem I'm trying to bring light to. It's pretty clear that he's not gonna beat these welterweights with the same style he used one division below, and that he needs to accept his losses.

I don't think one can attribute these things to Angel. I will see you responded to my other post, maybe you convinced me that like Broner the right coach could change Garcia...I truly keep an open mind, as long as my brains don't fall out.

I said Broner needs a therapist, but I'll check it out anyways.