Why Danny Garcia Fails as a Fighter

[daggum]

who is shot and has a name that he can fight next? hatton still alive?

[QballLobo]

He got the most out of his talent. He was a huge underdog to Amir Khan after being a last minute replacement and iced him.
I don’t think anyone expected him to beat Mattyese.
Multiple time world champ and had a great run at WW.

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I would say if anything he’s an over achiever

I agree with this. Danny has gotten very far despite being the limited fighter that he is.

He has a hell of a chin and huge punch, those have been his biggest attributes that have carried him this far.

[_original_]

He got the most out of his talent. He was a huge underdog to Amir Khan after being a last minute replacement and iced him.
I don’t think anyone expected him to beat Mattyese.
Multiple time world champ and had a great run at WW.

True, agree with what you said which is why I don't get this thread. Being over critical of Danny like he's some insanely skilled boxer. The guy has had a great career despite his shortcomings and flaws.

[Slicc]

True, agree with what you said which is why I don't get this thread. Being over critical of Danny like he's some insanely skilled boxer.

I wasn't being overly critical of Danny, I was pointing out areas which I think need improvement, if he wants to stop losing his step up fights at 147.

The guy has had a great career despite his shortcomings and flaws.

You sound like Danny's gonna retire soon. Danny has a couple more years left in him, and if he doesn't wanna spend those couple years getting slapped around by high level fighters, he needs to do something.

All I'm saying is that he could achieve much more, if a new trainer can help him. Some of these users wanna get all defensive, and I keep hearing about his body of work at 140. I get it, he put in work at 140, but he doesn't fight at 140 anymore. He's a currently a welterweight, so I'm focusing on what he's doing now.

[rickJen]

Had no sense of urgency.
Every fight seems like it's his last fight.
Not even interested in avenging his loses.
Maybe only after several months of waking up to reality.
Didn't have any interest in fighting Mayweather or Pac when they were presented and available.
He's the most called out fighter in the sport.
Everyone wants a piece of him.
So he had no problem getting fights.

Don't know how many fights left in him.
But tuneups no longer apply at this stage of his career.
Fighting the Rios'es of the sport is meaningless now.

[daggum]

He got the most out of his talent. He was a huge underdog to Amir Khan after being a last minute replacement and iced him.
I don’t think anyone expected him to beat Mattyese.
Multiple time world champ and had a great run at WW.

he's literally never beaten a top 10 fighter there. how can that be a great run?

[Slicc]

Danny is a two division champ with good wins on his resume...

His work at 140 is unrelated to what he's done at 147. He was handed the WBC strap against a fighter who did nothing to deserve the opportunity. Guerrero nearly got KO'd by a bum right before facing Garcia, and lost to a literal cab driver right after Garcia whooped him.

his fights against Porter and Thurman were competitive right to the last bell. He’s had an amazing career and it ain’t over. What’s with all the hate?

Excuse me? Thurman beat Garcia comfortably. Porter didn't beat Garcia as cleanly as Thurman did, but he still won. Like I said, Garcia can be as competitive as he wants with these top level welterweights. At the end of the day, he's still not winning. It isn't hate to give an honest assessment of a fighter.

[Bobby Shaw]

Danny's problem is work rate.he needs to throw way more punches.

[billeau2]

My point was never that Garcia can be perfect. Obviously, that's impossible. I was just saying that he could be better, if he did something about his limited fighting style and mentality, and suggested that maybe a new trainer could address those issues.


He's somewhat limited? He was outboxed by Herrera, knocked out Khan by swinging with his eyes closed, and fought like a statue against Porter. Being competitive and winning are two different things. He can be as competitive as he wants, but at the end of the day, it doesn't matter if he still loses.


Angel trained Danny well enough to get his son to the top of the jr welterweight division, but he's not doing anything for him at 147. He's convincing him that he deserved to win 2 fights he lost, and that's not okay.

Ok one by one:

I agree with your first point. I said "I would love" because the fact of the matter is, it would be grand indeed if there was a perfection of a fighter out there, but I know you did not say this.

Your forgetting the point Redd made: this is the elite of the elite. I grew up in a neghborhood like Danny's and every Puerto Rican kid I knew, had family that had some sort of a basement rigged to box. yet out of my hood? benitz and Camacho two elite fighters.... We have our limits. Danny does not have the stuff to necessarily be better. He is technically more sound than you give him credit for, its not like he is being exposed because of technical errors.

Your third point: You seem to have an absolute mindset about these levels you speak of. You do not train someone well enough and then become useless. Boxing is about approach, trust, ability and time...There is no magic line that says Angel is no longer qualified. And weight is a big factor in ability! A lot of guys cannot make a change that way...their punch does not carry, they don't have the speed, can't keep the weight off between fights...

I don't think one can attribute these things to Angel. I will see you responded to my other post, maybe you convinced me that like Broner the right coach could change Garcia...I truly keep an open mind, as long as my brains don't fall out.