Why Danny Garcia Fails as a Fighter

**Redd Foxx** · 09-23-2018, 02:47 PM

Such a ****** premise. Fans have this impression that if you're not #1 in the world, you're failing somehow. This seems to be the mentality of those who never actually achieve themselves and just star gaze.

Danny is still one of the best boxers in the world and that is a hell of a thing to be able to boast. Doesn't matter if he's #1. He's still the top 1% (maybe even .1%) of all the boxers in the world. I don't even like the guy. Never have. But, just because you aren't #1 doesn't mean you're failing somehow. He's had more success than 99.9% of the people who try to do what he's doing. That makes him a winner.

**Slicc** · 09-23-2018, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by Star Platinum

Lineal Champion @ 140

>Muh "fails as a fighter"

He became the lineal champion at 140, then showed us all a rare display of footwork, and ran from the contract to fight Postol. Lineal champion at 140, but can't beat a single decent welterweight. Even before Postol, he lost to Herrera, but won officially because of trash judging. He was a good jr welterweight, but the blueprint on how to beat him had been set ever since that bout. The moment he faced a tricky boxer, that didn't have a styrofoam chin, he folded. He folded against Herrera, Thurman, Porter and nearly folded against Peterson.

**billeau2** · 09-23-2018, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by Lopez_Boxing

I would say if anything he�s an over achiever

Bingo!!

I happen to love Plato...the idea that there is perfection and that somewhere is a perfect Danny G waiting to be made, with just just just.... the key ingrediant, of a new trainer, is refreshing!

The reality? This kid is amazing. He has always been somewhat limited, but Angel has instilled in him technical skills that give him enough of a base that he has been competative with guys who I would have thought would be a lot stronger fighters. I mean he got a few gifts also.... but they all do.

Adrien broner is an example of a guy who was ruined with bad habits imo, then you have guys like Zab Judah who was trained by his dad. Problem was his dad was trained as a kick boxer which is a very limited art. So Zab could have developed further imo (Zab also had some bad habits though!).

Garcia is a guy who has achieved a whole lot maximizing what he has...Angel may be el loco sometimes but I think he trained Danny very well.

**Slicc** · 09-23-2018, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by Redd Foxx

Such a ****** premise. Fans have this impression that if you're not #1 in the world, you're failing somehow. This seems to be the mentality of those who never actually achieve themselves and just star gaze.

Danny is still one of the best boxers in the world and that is a hell of a thing to be able to boast. Doesn't matter if he's #1. He's still the top 1% (maybe even .1%) of all the boxers in the world. I don't even like the guy. Never have. But, just because you aren't #1 doesn't mean you're failing somehow. He's had more success than 99.9% of the people who try to do what he's doing. That makes him a winner.

Him having more success than most fighters is irrelevant to what I was talking about. It's about his recent failures, and potential failures if he doesn't do something about his current situation.

He's one of the best boxers? In what weight division? He was good at 140, but what'd he do at 147? He beat washed up versions of Malignaggi, Guerrero and Rios, as well as a complete bum in Vargas. He then proceeded to lose to Thurman and Porter, the only decent welterweights he has ever fought.

**Barristan** · 09-23-2018, 03:13 PM

Danny is a two division champ with good wins on his resume...his fights against Porter and Thurman were competitive right to the last bell. He�s had an amazing career and it ain�t over. What�s with all the hate?

**billeau2** · 09-23-2018, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by Redd Foxx

Such a ****** premise. Fans have this impression that if you're not #1 in the world, you're failing somehow. This seems to be the mentality of those who never actually achieve themselves and just star gaze.

Danny is still one of the best boxers in the world and that is a hell of a thing to be able to boast. Doesn't matter if he's #1. He's still the top 1% (maybe even .1%) of all the boxers in the world. I don't even like the guy. Never have. But, just because you aren't #1 doesn't mean you're failing somehow. He's had more success than 99.9% of the people who try to do what he's doing. That makes him a winner.

Wish they would let me give you green K on this post. This is exactly how I feel about Danny Garcia. I also think that people tend to think that because Angel is very feminine in how he is overly emotional, that he must be a bad trainer. Garcia has very solid fundamentals. Could they be tweaked? (pardon the pun, sorry Angel!) Tweaking can also upset the apple cart.

Finally to suggest that a different trainer would have affected close fights Danny had with Porter and Thurman is ridiculous. Porter is a pressure fighter... pressure fighters make the opponent fight down to the lowest level of their training by applying pressure constantly...so what magic weapon could Danny have in his bag of tricks that he could have comfortably used after being trained in for countless hours?

Thurman has incredible natural gifts like speed, which is very hard to overcome. Danny like any fighter could learn some of the angles better, but that comes with experience really.

**billeau2** · 09-23-2018, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by Slicc

Him having more success than most fighters is irrelevant to what I was talking about. It's about his recent failures, and potential failures if he doesn't do something about his current situation.

He's one of the best boxers? In what weight division? He was good at 140, but what'd he do at 147? He beat washed up versions of Malignaggi, Guerrero and Rios, as well as a complete bum in Vargas. He then proceeded to lose to Thurman and Porter, the only decent welterweights he has ever fought.

Ok so what would a Virgil for example, do for Danny? What great weaknesses does he have that show bad development?

Before you answer, apply the same questions to Adrien Broner, for example. I would be willing to bet you could easily answer this question regarding Broner...but I would be interested to see what you would answer for Garcia.

**Slicc** · 09-23-2018, 03:20 PM