Why Danny Garcia Fails as a Fighter

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  • Slicc
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    Why Danny Garcia Fails as a Fighter

    I feel like Danny Garcia has hit his ceiling; I don't think he will get any better than he currently is, without a new trainer. This will be a long post, so I'll break it down into parts.

    A lazy counter-puncher

    Any time I see a boxer just standing in front of an opponent and looking for counters, it reminds me of Adrien Broner. Against Porter, Garcia was doing that the whole match. Instead of making Porter commit errors, and capitalizing on them, he tried to wait for Porter to make mistakes coming in. This sounds good in theory, but Garcia doesn't have what it takes to use that style properly. You need to have a great jab, great timing, solid defense and footwork to execute it well. Danny Garcia can throw out a decent jab and has good timing, but he didn't set up much with his jab, didn't let his hands go enough to be effective, and wasn't moving outta the way when Porter was getting off. It's "float like a butterfly, sting like a bee," but Garcia looked more like "sit like a boulder, hit like a pebble." He couldn't control the distance or the pace, and even let Porter work on the inside. The shots he did land on Porter, didn't do anything, so his fixation on counters wound up working against him. How the do you get outboxed by Shawn Porter, of all fighters? From now on, any time I see a boxer being reduced to standing in front of an opponent and looking for counters, I think I'll call it the Broner effect.

    A mind of glass

    Garcia was on top of the world after taking down a prime Matthysse. Then, he was so shaken up by his gift decision against Herrera, that he had to fight a guy who was ranked like 70 in the division below his. It feels like it doesn't take much to rattle this guy, mentally. I mean, he took a year off after losing to Thurman, and it's not like it was a war either. He was stunned a few times, and outboxed to a split decision (which I feel should've been unanimous, but whatever). I don't think he can accept the truth about the kind of fighter he really is. This is only made worse by the fact that his father just reinforces his delusions. In reality, Danny Garcia is a mediocre fighter, who thrived in a smaller weight division, while avoiding Viktor Postol. He's slow, his footwork is almost nonexistent, and his power is no longer an issue for high level competition. His only real asset now is his chin. I hope he doesn't take another layoff after the Porter bout.

    Cannon fodder

    Samuel Vargas and Brandon Rios are gonna give you a good ego boost, but the moment you take on a Keith Thurman or Shawn Porter, that ego's getting shattered into a million pieces. The occasional tune-up is okay, but when you move up into a new division, fighting 2 has-beens and a club fighter before a top level one, you've set yourself up to fail. A good challenge will allow you to go back and analyze what you did wrong, so that you could tweak your fighting style and avoid making the same mistakes again. It'll also help you determine whether or not you're ready for the elites. Against cans, you can't really gauge your skill level, because you're supposed to beat the hell out of them. That is, unless you struggle against them, which is a whole other discussion in itself. Even when Garcia's challenged, he doesn't change anything. I think this is why he'd lose worse against Porter or Thurman, the way he is now. He never learns, and neither doesn't Angel.

    Dead weight

    Angel Garcia, Danny Garcia's father, has been training him even before he became a professional. I'll admit, he did a ****-up job at getting his son to the world level, but I don't think there's anything more he can teach him. Danny Garcia's been fighting with the same style for years now; once Herrera exposed him, it was only a matter of time before he took an official loss. Why? Because Angel never made the adjustments he needed to, to keep these fighters from figuring Danny out. What's really tragic about all this, is that these father/son combinations usually never break off, even if it'd benefit the fighter. At the end of the day, Danny is a grown man, so he's gonna have to put his career before his emotions if he doesn't wanna keep coming up short at the top level. The guy's a knockout loss waiting to happen.

    In conclusion, I think Danny Garcia still has potential, but I don't know how much more he can improve at his age. After all, he's been fighting with the same style his entire career. Only time will tell, I guess.
    Last edited by Slicc; 09-23-2018, 06:42 PM.
  • FinitoxDinamita
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    #2
    He is too layed back with no sense of urgency. He has hit his ceiling and wont be getting any better.

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    • Mammoth
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      #3
      That Porter loss could have been a draw or a win so he fights at a pretty high level at least

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      • Fidel456
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        #4
        Has no jab or footwork, isn't busy enough, bad trainer, depends on awkward wide power punches, thinks he's elite.

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        • Floyd is TBE
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          #5
          But he has a win over the great Amir Khan

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          • Star Platinum
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            >Muh "fails as a fighter"

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            • Lopez_Boxing
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              #7
              Originally posted by Floyd is TBE
              But he has a win over the great Amir Khan
              If you want to count that bull sh it early stoppage a “win”.../according to AK of course

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              • Lopez_Boxing
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                #8
                I would say if anything he’s an over achiever

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                • sicko
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                  #9
                  Disagree respectfully, some minor changes and he BEATS Thurman and Porter. Lets be honest, he gave them both tough fights and they barely got by him, it is not like he stepped in with them and was overwhelmed

                  However, I do think adding another Trainer to Camp/Corner can't hurt at all. Need a Boxing Mind/Strategist to help formulate Game Plans. Maybe a Virgil Hunter, Naseem Richardson it is the minor things that needs to be tweaked and if he get another chance particularly at Shawn Porter, I think he can win. Just like Leo Santa Cruz vs Carl Frampton in the rematch in which he just came with a better Gameplan and got the Win.

                  Do agree his lack of a consistent Jab hurt him particularly against Shawn Porter. Need more of this Body Jab in his arsenal...


                  Still only 30 years old so he is far from Done, just bring in another Trainer to work with him and his dad. Even Kenny Porter was able to put his Ego to the side and bring in Barry Hunter Angel have to do the same!
                  Last edited by sicko; 09-23-2018, 02:23 PM.

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                  • Teetotaler
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                    #10
                    Id mostly blame his crackhead dad

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