Will Golovkin retire as an all time great?

[The Big Dunn]

No clown, it isn't a defining win but if he beats winner of that then he's basicalkybfought everyone there was to beat, what more is he meant to do.

Ummm no. Charlo is still out there. If he beats him he still not an ATG. If Derevchenko beats Jacobs (which very well might happen, very live dog IMO) he is there as well.

At this point he may need to go to 175 and win titles to be considered an ATG.

[LoadedWraps]

why De La Hoya? he lost to almost every real top fighter he fought. Probably got beat by sturm too.

Almost isn't all.

I have no set in stone criteria for ATG but I've always said that an ATG to me is a fighter that can be great in any era, and ODLH personifies a perfect fighter to me when focused and prime. His losses / downfalls were related to issues outside of the ring, not shortcomings or flaws as a fighter.

[Motofan]

Big fan but no, not an all-time-great. I get that you can only face who will face you and guys avoided a prime GGG like crazy, but he just hasn't defeated enough top level guys to prove he is all-time-great. Had he fought and beat Ward, Martinez, then Canelo and maybe another top tier younger fighter I'd say it would be hard to deny him. But as it is he's a first ballot hall of famer for sure.

[boxinggod101]

No he wont. Unless he fightd until he's 40+ and beats top fighters.

[famicommander]

Ummm no. Charlo is still out there. If he beats him he still not an ATG. If Derevchenko beats Jacobs (which very well might happen, very live dog IMO) he is there as well.

At this point he may need to go to 175 and win titles to be considered an ATG.

What if he unifies all the belts (the big four plus the Ring and IBO) and the lineal title at middleweight?

Takes out Canelo, then Saunders/Andrade winner, then Jacobs/Derevyanchenko winner?

Would you consider him an all time great then?

[The Big Dunn]

What if he unifies all the belts (the big four plus the Ring and IBO) and the lineal title at middleweight?

Takes out Canelo, then Saunders/Andrade winner, then Jacobs/Derevyanchenko winner?

Would you consider him an all time great then?

I don't think so. ATG is a very high standard. His resume would pale in comparison to Floyd or Manny, who are considered ATG's.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Yea, your definition of ATG is among the strictest I've seen.

I consider Toney, ODLH, Wlad, Barrera, Morales all ATG.

He says Marquez is but Barrera and Morales are not. Hilarious. I like dudes posts but that was funny. Especially when there are only 75-80 atgs.

[Vasyl’s dad]

hell no!

the guy spent a good deal of his prime in the amateurs and in europe in obscurity. when he first got to the US nobody would fight him, and you can't rate a guy entirely based on who he was ducked by, it just gets too subjective.

yes, he was a very good middleweight with a good run. ATG? no f#cking way! marvin hagler, carlos monzon, bernard hopkins, harry greb, sugar ray robinson. does gennady golovkin fit in with those guys ?

Easily fits in. Marvin didnt get his shot til his 50th or so fight. Hopkins resume at 160 might be worse than Golovkins.

[TheBigLug]

Easily fits in. Marvin didnt get his shot til his 50th or so fight. Hopkins resume at 160 might be worse than Golovkins.

Hagler would be crucified on this forum if he was an active fighter today.

Pretty much every big win he had were against men that started at much smaller weights than him. Actually he'd have probably been labeled a bum for them earlier draws and losses...

Today, that's enough to get called a hypejob, bum, weight bully or whatever else.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Hagler would be crucified on this forum if he was an active fighter today.

Pretty much every big win he had were against men that started at much smaller weights than him. Actually he'd have probably been labeled a bum for them earlier draws and losses...

Today, that's enough to get called a hypejob, bum, weight bully or whatever else.

Exactly. Even Hopkins best wins at 160 were against smaller guys. Thats why its laughable to see both Hs praised for their work at 160 and Golovkin ripped apart. Hagler and Golovkin are very similar in how their careers played out.