Comments Thread For: Report: New PBC, FOX Deal Finalized For FOX, FS1 Broadcasts

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Unlikely, tbh; Showtime has put too much heat behind both sides of that fight for it to happen anywhere else.

I agree it's unlikely, but anything is possible. PBC itself hasn't commented on how FOX & SHO will split the fighters. Will Wilder fight once a year on FOX and once a year on SHO? Will FOX & SHO focus on different divisions so all the 147 fights are on SHO and all the 154 fights are on FOX?

We don't know the answer. We'll just have to see.

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Pretty sure ESPN is paying more than $30 million in license fees. Likely close to double that amount.

Definitely not.

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Definitely not.

ESPN signing 360 Deal where espn getting a cut of everything.

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Pretty sure ESPN is paying more than $30 million in license fees. Likely close to double that amount.

Definitely not. PBC was ESPN's first choice, but they offered less than what the SHO budget was at the time. You can look at the level of fights TR is doing for most of the ESPN shows and there's no way the annual budget is 60 million. Most TR fighters are very very inexpensive. ESPN re-upped because the TR deal costs them very little.

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HBO budget is barely at 20 now and continuing to be slashed. Arum budget has been bumped up under the renegotiation and will average out to almost 40 a year as the budget increases in the later years, but you're correct it's around 30 right now.

Ring is now reporting new Showtime budget is over 60 and new Fox budget is over 60. So over 120 total right now, and likely to grow.

The DAZN 125 is very deceptive. Deal was announced at 8 years/1 billion, which does average to 125, but only the first 2 years are guaranteed, and there are large jumps in the later years of the deal. So even though it'll average to 125 if the deal lasts all 8 years, the two guaranteed years are much much less than 125, which is why Hearn is getting turned down left and right.

Source for the $30m figure to Top Rank, or is it friend of a friend type info? More curious than anything; had a conversation with another poster who basically just threw out a number with nothing to back it.

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This is correct only the first two years are guaranteed. The ESPN figure I believe came from a Disney investor presentation on their rights fees by sports and total spend on ESPN+

Thanks a lot.

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Advertising buyers were screaming about the 10. Will be interesting what months they take off. I'd guess around NFL/College Football

October/November would be my guess; basically seed those Saturdays to college football, with the December date likely coming during the dead time before bowl season and the January date for after bowl season.

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Source for the $30m figure to Top Rank, or is it friend of a friend type info? More curious than anything; had a conversation with another poster who basically just threw out a number with nothing to back it.

Arum has told people privately he has 50 million a year to work with, but like with DAZN, that's the average over the course of the 7 years. It's not 7 years guaranteed and the figure I was told for year one under the renegotiation is 32 million.

Arum bragged his budget was more than HBO & SHO combined, but that was using HBO's new budget of 18-20 million and SHO's old budget of 25-30 million (pre-PBC), to combine for less than ESPN's average if they get picked up for the full 7. Very misleading. Just Bob being a promoter and bending the truth. Not that it matters now, SHO was already paying over 45 in the PBC era and now is going over 60 under their new deal.

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My point is that the ratings have to match the goal or else boxing will be at a disadvantage once the contracts expire

The UFC drew what it drew on FOX/FS1, and that was good enough to go from the $700m over 7 years (in hindsight, would've been sharp to note that this was an escalator deal too) to Fox being ready to pay $200m per year.

PBC on FOX/FS1 is already matching/beating those numbers, and the consolidated schedule will likely up the names used for the shows. As long as the boxing audience doesn't face some type of epidemic, it'll be fine

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Definitely not. PBC was ESPN's first choice, but they offered less than what the SHO budget was at the time. You can look at the level of fights TR is doing for most of the ESPN shows and there's no way the annual budget is 60 million. Most TR fighters are very very inexpensive. ESPN re-upped because the TR deal costs them very little.

With the new extension, I highly doubt it is only $30 million. Just for the amount of cards they have to put on and if they are paying guys like Crawford $3 million to fight Horn. Heck, if it was $30 million would they be bidding $1.6 million for Saucedo/Hoofer? That would make little sense. Sure the international cards they put on don't cost much, but they have far too many cards to put on with some big money makers for only a $30 million budget. And you had Arum saying a month ago that they now have a much bigger budget than SHO. And SHO had about a $50 million budget, so he wouldn't have been saying that if ESPN only was giving them $30 million a year. Now, Arum definitely exaggerated by saying much bigger and he even may have said HBO/SHO combined, but it makes sense that they have far more than $30 million.