Comments Thread For: Report: New PBC, FOX Deal Finalized For FOX, FS1 Broadcasts

[Scipio2009]

I agree it's unlikely, but anything is possible. PBC itself hasn't commented on how FOX & SHO will split the fighters. Will Wilder fight once a year on FOX and once a year on SHO? Will FOX & SHO focus on different divisions so all the 147 fights are on SHO and all the 154 fights are on FOX?

We don't know the answer. We'll just have to see.

Pretty much.

Was always under the impression that it'd be a pyramid structure in the end; a couple PPVs on SHOPPV, the occasional Showtime supershow on CBS, 'Showtime Championship Boxing' and 'PBC on FOX' being at about the same level, and the 'PBC on FS1' cards being feeders into the PBC on FOX level shows.

Fox talking about doing PPVs confuses that a bit, tbh.

[Scipio2009]

Arum has told people privately he has 50 million a year to work with, but like with DAZN, that's the average over the course of the 7 years. It's not 7 years guaranteed and the figure I was told for year one under the renegotiation is 32 million.

Arum bragged his budget was more than HBO & SHO combined, but that was using HBO's new budget of 18-20 million and SHO's old budget of 25-30 million (pre-PBC), to combine for less than ESPN's average if they get picked up for the full 7. Very misleading. Just Bob being a promoter and bending the truth. Not that it matters now, SHO was already paying over 45 in the PBC era and now is going over 60 under their new deal.

Random idea ...

With HBO seemingly on their way out with boxing, do you think that ESPN would ditch Top Rank for Golden Boy (namely access to Canelo), or is the fact that Top Rank has more volume to provide going to win out?

[Sweet Jones]

Random idea ...

With HBO seemingly on their way out with boxing, do you think that ESPN would ditch Top Rank for Golden Boy (namely access to Canelo), or is the fact that Top Rank has more volume to provide going to win out?

My understanding that a HUGE part of TR's appeal to ESPN was access to Top Rank's fight catalog/library, which provides ESPN with 1000s of hours of content to offer across the ESPN app, ESPNClassic and some of its other outlets.

Golden Boy does not have that sort of asset to enhance its appeal.

[MasterPlan]

Pretty much.

Was always under the impression that it'd be a pyramid structure in the end; a couple PPVs on SHOPPV, the occasional Showtime supershow on CBS, 'Showtime Championship Boxing' and 'PBC on FOX' being at about the same level, and the 'PBC on FS1' cards being feeders into the PBC on FOX level shows.

Fox talking about doing PPVs confuses that a bit, tbh.

I mentioned wrestling before and maybe they'll use WWEs Brand split. Raw and Smackdown are split. Well don't know what's goin on now haven't watched in like 15 years lol.

[N/A]

With the new extension, I highly doubt it is only $30 million. Just for the amount of cards they have to put on and if they are paying guys like Crawford $3 million to fight Horn. Heck, if it was $30 million would they be bidding $1.6 million for Saucedo/Hoofer? That would make little sense. Sure the international cards they put on don't cost much, but they have far too many cards to put on with some big money makers for only a $30 million budget. And you had Arum saying a month ago that they now have a much bigger budget than SHO. And SHO had about a $50 million budget, so he wouldn't have been saying that if ESPN only was giving them $30 million a year. Now, Arum definitely exaggerated by saying much bigger and he even may have said HBO/SHO combined, but it makes sense that they have far more than $30 million.

Arum has privately told people 50 million average, 32 million first year. Most of these international cards they're literally picking up for 50-100k. They only owe ESPN 18 proper TV cards, most of which are not expensive cards. They lose money when Bud fights, but they do it because if he leaves for PBC, they're totally boxed out. So they have to overpay. Just like they did with Tim Bradley.

[Manlikefemi]

Seems like the cats in charge of HBO boxing have been slowly doing that for 2 decades to me. They have been on a clear path to ending one of the best runs in televised boxing in modern sports history.

Its kinda gonna be a sad moment when it does happen, but a blind man can see it is & has been coming for 2 decades now despite all this recent talk of a merger impacting boxing for some knuckleheaded reason despite HBO throwing money at all sorts of other sh^t...just not boxing lol.

I dont understand why they don't do it though. Keep Canelo on HBO PPV and announce through a media release we're out as it's not profitable.

However HBO signing Jim Lampley for another three years, tells me they are not out yet. I suspect it makes Boxing makes HBO a more attractive product for lower in ome households

[Manlikefemi]

HBO budget is barely at 20 now and continuing to be slashed. Arum budget has been bumped up under the renegotiation and will average out to almost 40 a year as the budget increases in the later years, but you're correct it's around 30 right now.

Ring is now reporting new Showtime budget is over 60 and new Fox budget is over 60. So over 120 total right now, and likely to grow.

The DAZN 125 is very deceptive. Deal was announced at 8 years/1 billion, which does average to 125, but only the first 2 years are guaranteed, and there are large jumps in the later years of the deal. So even though it'll average to 125 if the deal lasts all 8 years, the two guaranteed years are much much less than 125, which is why Hearn is getting turned down left and right.

It's not and cannot be 125M a Year, or Hearn would not have got outbid already for certain fights. For 125M, why not offer Wilder, Broner, Spence over 10M. He only offered Broner 6M over three fights.

Hearn is a lier and not to be trusted. Proof is in the pudding. Showtime runs it.

[N/A]

Random idea ...

With HBO seemingly on their way out with boxing, do you think that ESPN would ditch Top Rank for Golden Boy (namely access to Canelo), or is the fact that Top Rank has more volume to provide going to win out?

ESPN and TR are already married for the foreseeable future, as are HBO and Canelo.

Even if the ESPN/TR ink wasn't dry, which it is, GBP just doesn't have the depth to give ESPN what they want. Even TR barely has the depth, but at least they have the experience to fake it. Beyond Canelo, GBP has practically nothing and Canelo only fights on PPV. Golden Boy will be boxed out of the business after Canelo's run is over.

[Boksfan]

Looks like dazn will finally have some competition.

[lanker rom]

The UFC drew what it drew on FOX/FS1, and that was good enough to go from the $700m over 7 years (in hindsight, would've been sharp to note that this was an escalator deal too) to Fox being ready to pay $200m per year.

PBC on FOX/FS1 is already matching/beating those numbers, and the consolidated schedule will likely up the names used for the shows. As long as the boxing audience doesn't face some type of epidemic, it'll be fine

Actually pbc did consistently lower ratings than the UFC on fox. but I think networks are hoping with actual promotion and push boxing could do similar or better than the ufc did. we will see depending on how this deal goes.