Who ranks higher p4p of all time Bhop, Roy Jones or Pacquiao?

[IronDanHamza]

This is why YDKSAB, Lou was Jones sparring partner in 95', they fought in 98'. Big difference there. Your sparring partners know your bag of tricks and you lose the element of surprise when facing them in a professional fight. Basics.



Source: http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Ro..._Lou_Del_Valle

I swear on all that I love I found this quote after I typed the ^ content. I was looking for a source on the sparring partner link and found the below quote.



Source: https://www.nytimes.com/1998/07/20/s...for-jones.html

I've personally been through this. I used to spar with a nationally ranked Amateur that turned pro and started getting in his áss in our last sessions. I knew what he was going to do after doing close to 40 rounds with him. If we never sparred and fought, I would have definitely lost.

Anybody that spends time actually in the game knows this is true.

I like how you have a one sentence reply Larry instead of engaging everything else I posted.

Gene Tunney, smh.



You need to learn the game.

But then didn't Doug Jones have experience in the ring with Ali prior to their fight too?

[HURTFEELINGS]

Jones never picked up a title at Lighmiddle.

I never said that, he Started at 154 and went on to win Heavyweight title. Still NOONE else has done this in boxing other than RJJ

[buddyr]

roy jones ruined his legacy. After he was ko'd by Tarver, it was all down hill from there. Beating a washed up Trinidad and Jeff Lacy didn't help him as he continued to get knocked out by guys like Danny Green and other inferior opponents. And this started when he was the #1 pfp fighter in the world. So Hopkins rates above Roy. Even in Roy's prime, there were a lot of years of cherry picking and bs fights. I thought he was the best fighter in the world after beating Toney but after that fight, he did nothing for another 2 and a half years before facing Griffin the first time. 175 I give him his props, but had he fought Tarver and not made him wait, there is a possibility he could have beat him in 2000 or 2001. And there is no guarantee of that because roy struggled with Counter punchers and the left hook always found a way to his face. Would have loved to see him and Liles at 168. We know why he didn't fight Mcclellan due to that unfortunate circumstance and I don't blame him at all for the Michalczewski fight. Hill was a great win for him as well.

[buddyr]

I never said that, he Started at 154 and went on to win Heavyweight title. Still NOONE else has done this in boxing other than RJJ

He beat one of the worst hw champs of all time. This is why multiple titles in a weight class is a bad idea because decades later, guys can say, "he was a jm that won a hw title" knowing he cherry picked that Ruiz. Ruiz was the whipping boy of fighters moving up. Toney cherry picked him and won a title(got busted afterwards) and David Haye too. Unfortunately, Bob Foster didn't have the luxury of cherry picking from 3 champions and fighting a John Ruiz and if Roy had to fight the likes of Fraizer and Ali, he would have suffered the same fate as Foster as well.

[McNulty]

But then didn't Doug Jones have experience in the ring with Ali prior to their fight too?

I have never heard of Doug Jones being a sparring partner for Clay and Google hasn't either.

What the heck are you talking about?

roy jones ruined his legacy. After he was ko'd by Tarver, it was all down hill from there. Beating a washed up Trinidad and Jeff Lacy didn't help him as he continued to get knocked out by guys like Danny Green and other inferior opponents. And this started when he was the #1 pfp fighter in the world. So Hopkins rates above Roy. Even in Roy's prime, there were a lot of years of cherry picking and bs fights. I thought he was the best fighter in the world after beating Toney but after that fight, he did nothing for another 2 and a half years before facing Griffin the first time. 175 I give him his props, but had he fought Tarver and not made him wait, there is a possibility he could have beat him in 2000 or 2001. And there is no guarantee of that because roy struggled with Counter punchers and the left hook always found a way to his face. Would have loved to see him and Liles at 168. We know why he didn't fight Mcclellan due to that unfortunate circumstance and I don't blame him at all for the Michalczewski fight. Hill was a great win for him as well.

First of all, learn how to NOT write a wall of text. 3-5 sentences, make a paragraph. It's 2018 mong.

Roy never cherry picked nobody. Jones didn't ruin his legacy just like Robinson didn't ruin his.

I've got no time for casual plebs, welcome to cold storage.

[buddyr]

I know why Roy lost to Tarver and Johnson......

He was 35 and 36 years old and was pretty much shot. It was obvious in the first Tarver fight. People forget that Roy turned pro in 1989 and had hundreds of amateur fights before that.

The last time Roy had been hit flush and hard by an opponent before the Tarver fights was in 97 by Montell Griffin in the first fight. The Del Valle punch didn't look as hard, but obviously it was enough to knock him down and daze him, but Griffin in the first fight was hitting roy flush with that left hook counter. He couldn't miss. And Roy was pfp the #1 fighter in the world above all competition. There was even talk of him fighting Lewis and Tyson but when Tarver, who had been chasing him for years, knocks him out, he was "old". He had been in absolutely no wars whatsoever prior to his first fight with Tarver. That was the first war he had ever been in lol. So it's not like he had his career beat out of him. he just never had a chin and he cherry picked for a large part of his career. And that leads me to believe that he was getting ko'd in sparring and didn't believe in himself during his career. We don't know

[buddyr]

I have never heard of Doug Jones being a sparring partner for Clay and Google hasn't either.

What the heck are you talking about?



First of all, learn how to NOT write a wall of text. 3-5 sentences, make a paragraph. It's 2018 mong.

Roy never cherry picked nobody. Jones didn't ruin his legacy just like Robinson didn't ruin his.

I've got no time for casual plebs, welcome to cold storage.

Roy was a master cherry picker. I was a fan of his career up to the Bryant Brannon fight. That was disgusting. Like I said, I give him props for 175 but 160 and 168 outside of Hopkins and Toney, he didn't fight anyone. If you remember, during the telecast of his fight with Lucas(another bum) he played a professional basketball game that morning. Roy actually gave an interview defending why he was picking inferior opponents referring to not wanting to get hurt. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. And all this time he's entertaining moving up to hw fighting Tyson who was 1 year removed from prison at the time lol.

[gamesworn]

Manny

Roy
Hopkins

[IronDanHamza]

I have never heard of Doug Jones being a sparring partner for Clay and Google hasn't either.

What the heck are you talking about?



First of all, learn how to NOT write a wall of text. 3-5 sentences, make a paragraph. It's 2018 mong.

Roy never cherry picked nobody. Jones didn't ruin his legacy just like Robinson didn't ruin his.

I've got no time for casual plebs, welcome to cold storage.

They did spar I believe, I can't say when.

Could be wrong, going off memory.

[OCPancho]

Roy Jones in his prime years.
Pac might have gone from 112-147 in winning memorable title fights, Roy was still an ex-middleweight who won a heavy title .
And he did not lose more than 3 rounds in a lot of title fights .
Roy will always get some dizz for not really making his mega fights, but he was still one of a kind.