Who ranks higher p4p of all time Bhop, Roy Jones or Pacquiao?

[Illmatic94]

Roy didn't want none? Pfffff!

Can't you recall the phrase 60-40 , I'll whoop yo a55! ????

Hopkins demanded a 50/50 split when Jones was p4p#1 and had already beaten Hopkins easy!

There's no clearer way to avoid a fight without actually saying it out loud!

well how come he wasn't screaming "60-40 I'll whoop yo azz" in 2010 when he accepted the rematch? oh I know at that time Roy was a punchline joke in the sports world and couldn't care less about his resume or reputation.

[Illmatic94]

I know why Roy lost to Tarver and Johnson......

He was 35 and 36 years old and was pretty much shot. It was obvious in the first Tarver fight. People forget that Roy turned pro in 1989 and had hundreds of amateur fights before that.

so he looks like a super hero vs Ruiz then becomes "shot" a few moths later against Tarver?

be honest the excuse Roy fans use is not age. the excuse has always been that Roy had to lose weight and drop down to 175.

but JT's weight loss in preparation for Roy was more severe. this is a fact acknowledged by Jones himself when he said in the postfight interview he knew the weight loss turned JT into a washed up fighter.

so using Roy's fans reasoning to not credit Tarver or Johnson we cannot give Roy any credit for beating a walking corpse in Toney.

[HURTFEELINGS]

He beat one of the worst hw champs of all time. This is why multiple titles in a weight class is a bad idea because decades later, guys can say, "he was a jm that won a hw title" knowing he cherry picked that Ruiz. Ruiz was the whipping boy of fighters moving up. Toney cherry picked him and won a title(got busted afterwards) and David Haye too. Unfortunately, Bob Foster didn't have the luxury of cherry picking from 3 champions and fighting a John Ruiz and if Roy had to fight the likes of Fraizer and Ali, he would have suffered the same fate as Foster as well.

He BEAT a HW Champion, where he rates is just your opinion.
Then, That takes away everything from pac

[McNulty]

Just because it's not on a google search doesn't mean it didn't happen.

But I could be mistaken now I'm thinking about it.

Dude lol. Book samples are all over Google. There was a lot of controversey THEN with the fight and I'm sure that would have been used to help dispell the fueds people had with the fight.

I'm sure every nook and cranny about Ali is on the web.

[IronDanHamza]

Ok you're trolling now.

I just quoted out of Roy's own mouth he knew of JT's weakened state. Apparently back then boxers were more honest. In today's social media age no way Roy openly acknowledges Toney was weak and a walking corpse.

Lets keep it simple.. as simple as ABC

Roy's fans give Tarver and Glen Johnson zero credit for beating him due to Roy's weight issues.

Therefore to be fair and consistent RJJ gets zero credit for beating JT, a corpse.

It's an overrated win. Means nothing. And Hopkins was not prime in 1993. that Hopkins victory wasn't even seen as a big deal when it took place. during Larry Merchants introduction for Roy he said "we don't know if he's for real or a fraud." this is after he beat Bhop, proving it wasn't the career defining fight Roy's fans claim it is.

That win was turned into something else based on what Hopkins accomplished years later.

The best win Roy had in the 90's was Griffin. his best win in the 2000's was John Ruiz. after that it was a 10 plus year stretch of getting laid out and whooped on across the globe. no way in hell is he ranked above Hopkins.

Throw in the fact he was popped for anabolic steroids in 2000 and got the issue brushed under the carpet until his opponent revealed it in 2003. Ironically this is the last year Roy enjoyed as a top fighter in boxing. This is more evidence than the rumors against Pacquiao in 2010.

But I proved to you JT was drained and Roy knew it. Using Roy fans logic of denying credit due to weight issues RJJ deserves ZERO credit for beating JT.

Hopkins win over Tito in 2001 shts on Roy's overrated victory over a drained weakened Toney.

I couldn't care less what Roy Jones fans have to say.

Roy Jones spoke about his "weakened state" because that was normal for every Toney fight. There is nothing unique about this fight.

"It means nothing" yeah that's very convenient and literally the exact same excuse for every single other time that Toney came up short.

You are still yet to tell me what the difference is between this fight and any other Toney fight.

You cited IV use, assuming that's even true, and also assuming he never used an IV before.

You cited that he nearly fainted at the weigh in but are refusing to back that up in any way to such an extent that you won't even respond to that question. Do you have anything to support that he nearly fainted at the weigh in?

[IronDanHamza]

Dude lol. Book samples are all over Google. There was a lot of controversey THEN with the fight and I'm sure that would have been used to help dispell the fueds people had with the fight.

I'm sure every nook and cranny about Ali is on the web.

It's not though.

I search for things all the time on the internet that I know for a fact is true and can't find anything on the internet to support it.


Hell, you don't even have to go thar far back I was searching for something from the 00's the other week and nothing came up let alone the 1960's and in regards to sparring sessions.

Google doesn't tell all.

[pasawayako]

I agree his run at 40+years old is suspect. But there isn't the same evidence as Roy/Manny.

What evidence you have on manny? Hearsay? Or he was too damn good that that everyone can't believe it?

[McNulty]

It's not though.

I search for things all the time on the internet that I know for a fact is true and can't find anything on the internet to support it.


Hell, you don't even have to go thar far back I was searching for something from the 00's the other week and nothing came up let alone the 1960's and in regards to sparring sessions.

Google doesn't tell all.

Maybe your search queries are inferior? What is your level of education if you don't mind me asking?

[badass316]

Pacquiao (by a sizable margin in my opinion)

Hopkins (Tito KO was iconic, plus his longevity all the way up 50 is downright remarkable)

Roy (I considered Bhop green when Roy got to him, but Toney was an impressive win. Although testing positive diminishes his accomplishments in my eyes)

[IronDanHamza]

Maybe your search queries are inferior? What is your level of education if you don't mind me asking?

I don't really see the correlation between levels of education and search queries but to answer your question I'm highly educated academically, if that is what you're asking.