Who is better fighter? Povetkin or Ortiz?

[satiev1]

ORTIZ would get knocked the **** out by povetkin. Just a bad style match up. Povetkin would walk through his shots and take it.

[champion4ever]

AJ couldn't dispose Takam in 4 rounds or at all, who is inferior to Povetkin. So I don't see him disposing Povetkin. AJ probably wins a decision though. His old now, so of course he has slower reflexes now and reduced punch resistance. Common sense!

That's exactly what Anthony Joshua doesn't want to do. He does not want to carry this old man past the finish line because if he does it would irreparably tarnish his aura of invincibility and image leading up to the Wilder fight.

Team Wilder will be really chomping at the bit to want to fight him then because he would appear vulnerable. Deontay will probably say to himself, if Joshua couldn't finish this old dude off, then how in the hell does he expect to defeat me?

I'm more athletic, younger, taller, stronger, faster, hits harder with a better chin, stamina, reach, reflexes and speed than Sasha. So it's very befitting of AJ to knock this near 40 year old man out because Povetkin even so much as hurt, stagger, wobble or even drop Joshua, then Deontay's confidence would soar through the roof.

[Sid-Knee]

That's exactly what Anthony Joshua doesn't want to do. He does not want to carry this old man past the finish line because if he does it would irreparably tarnish his aura of invincibility and image leading up to the Wilder fight.

Team Wilder will be really chomping at the bit to want to fight him then because he would appear vulnerable. Deontay will probably say to himself, if Joshua couldn't finish this old dude off, then how in the hell does he expect to defeat me?

I'm more athletic, younger, taller, stronger, faster, hits harder with a better chin, stamina, reach, reflexes and speed than Sasha. So it's very befitting of AJ to knock this near 40 year old man out because Povetkin even so much as hurt, stagger, wobble or even drop Joshua, then Deontay's confidence would soar through the roof.

Are you admitting Wilder and his side are not chomping at the bit now but would if they see Joshua looking vulnerable?

I don't think you really meant to type that. Haha.

[champion4ever]

ORTIZ would get knocked the **** out by povetkin. Just a bad style match up. Povetkin would walk through his shots and take it.

Shit! Ortiz would see Povetkin's wide hooks coming from a mile away even at 48 years old and then counter him at will as he looking up at the lights on the canvas. Ortiz is a better defender than Povetkin. He keeps his chin tucked. He doesn't get hit as nearly as often as Alexander. In addition, King Kong would smother Povetkin's power by walking him down with his jab.

[champion4ever]

Are you admitting Wilder and his side are not chomping at the bit now but would if they see Joshua looking vulnerable?

I don't think you really meant to type that. Haha.

I've said it then and I am saying it now. Joshua has not looked the same since that Klitschko fight.

His last two performances have been very uneven. He needs some momentum.

He needs a clean knock out before going into the Wilder fight in order to gain some confidence. Wilder and his team has always been chomping at the bit to fight Joshua because they are confident that overall he is the better fighter.

There's no way if Joshua stands in front of Wilder and exchanges, he lasts the distance. They see a slower and wider power lifter in front of them, who is static with virtually no head movement at all; Which will make him a very vulnerable target for Deontay's one two combination punch.

[Mr Objecitivity]

That's exactly what Anthony Joshua doesn't want to do. He does not want to carry this old man past the finish line because if he does it would irreparably tarnish his aura of invincibility and image leading up to the Wilder fight.

Team Wilder will be really chomping at the bit to want to fight him then because he would appear vulnerable. Deontay will probably say to himself, if Joshua couldn't finish this old dude off, then how in the hell does he expect to defeat me?

I'm more athletic, younger, taller, stronger, faster, hits harder with a better chin, stamina, reach, reflexes and speed than Sasha. So it's very befitting of AJ to knock this near 40 year old man out because Povetkin even so much as hurt, stagger, wobble or even drop Joshua, then Deontay's confidence would soar through the roof.

All of this is a fictionally interpreted scenario. That's no different from me claiming, Takam and Povetkin decided to let Joshua punch them and took it easy on him so that they can dispose of Joshua in the late rounds (without any premature stoppages). So that their own aura of invincibility looks lower, so they can entice fights with other heavyweights like Wilder and Ortiz themselves.

I've said it then and I am saying it now. Joshua has not looked the same since that Klitschko fight.

His last two performances have been very uneven. He needs some momentum.

He needs a clean knock out before going into the Wilder fight in order to gain some confidence. Wilder and his team has always been chomping at the bit to fight Joshua because they are confident that overall he is the better fighter.

There's no way if Joshua stands in front of Wilder and exchanges, he lasts the distance. They see a slower and wider power lifter in front of them, who is static with virtually no head movement at all; Which will make him a very vulnerable target for Deontay's one two combination punch.

You do realize, that Johan Duhaupas, who is smaller, weaker, fatter, less durable, less muscular, less athletic, shorter, less rangier and less of a specimen not only exchanged and took Wilder's career high number of maximum powered punches flush after flush for 11 rounds without going down once, never mind getting KO'ed.

What makes you think Wilder would even be likely to KO Joshua, when he couldn't even drop the ASTRONOMICALLY inferior Duhaupas who is inferior to Joshua in every department.

Wilder's power was severely exposed in that fight.

Johan Duhaupas is a fat, 6 foot 5, 240+ pound man.

Anthony Joshua is a muscular, 6 foot 6, 240+ pound man and is a physical specimen.

You do the math!

Despite fighting with an injury in his right arm in not only Deontay Wilder's home country of USA, but literally his hometown of Alabama, Duhaupas:

1) not only took, but literally walked through Deontay Wilder's most powerful career high number of punches landing flush for 11 rounds, without even seeing the canvas or getting dropped once, never mind getting knocked out.

2) out-jabbed Deontay Wilder.

3) gave Deontay Wilder a black eye.

4) was in a legitimate 50/50 fight where the fight was dead even before the premature stoppage.

5) lost only via a premature and an illegitimate stoppage because the referee was in favor of the hometown fighter that was Deontay Wilder = hometown cooking. And the judges also favored Wilder and had him up higher than theh should've.

[champion4ever]

All of this is a fictionally interpreted scenario. That's no different from me claiming, Takam and Povetkin decided to let Joshua punch them and took it easy on him so that they can dispose of Joshua in the late rounds (without any premature stoppages). So that their own aura of invincibility looks lower, so they can entice fights with other heavyweights like Wilder and Ortiz themselves.



You do realize, that Johan Duhaupas, who is smaller, weaker, fatter, less durable, less muscular, less athletic, shorter, less rangier and less of a specimen not only exchanged and took Wilder's career high number of maximum powered punches flush after flush for 11 rounds without going down once, never mind getting KO'ed.

What makes you think Wilder would even be likely to KO Joshua, when he couldn't even drop the ASTRONOMICALLY inferior Duhaupas who is inferior to Joshua in every department.

Wilder's power was severely exposed in that fight.

Johan Duhaupas is a fat, 6 foot 5, 240+ pound man.

Anthony Joshua is a muscular, 6 foot 6, 240+ pound man and is a physical specimen.

You do the math!

Despite fighting with an injury in his right arm in not only Deontay Wilder's home country of USA, but literally his hometown of Alabama, Duhaupas:

1) not only took, but literally walked through Deontay Wilder's most powerful career high number of punches landing flush for 11 rounds, without even seeing the canvas or getting dropped once, never mind getting knocked out.

2) out-jabbed Deontay Wilder.

3) gave Deontay Wilder a black eye.

4) was in a legitimate 50/50 fight where the fight was dead even before the premature stoppage.

5) lost only via a premature and an illegitimate stoppage because the referee was in favor of the hometown fighter that was Deontay Wilder = hometown cooking. And the judges also favored Wilder and had him up higher than theh should've.

No, that was not what I was saying at all. Oftentimes, when a fighter see another fighter struggling or slipping in prior fights they often perceived that opponent as a cherry pick. Just ask Danny Garcia, who has made an entire career on doing just that; By exploiting his opponent's weakness who he perceives are less of a threat to himself. I am not saying that at all about Deontay Wilder because he, Team Joshua and Matchroom boxing has always been confident that Deontay would knock him out.

As for your other point is concerned, Wilder beat the Holy Hell out of Duhaupas for over 11 rounds. That's why the fight was mercifully stopped. Not once, had he ever seriously threatened Deontay in that fight. Just go back and watch the tape.

Besides styles makes fights. Duhaupus fought Wilder at short range; Which smothered most of Deontay's punching power. He swarmed him on the inside and neutralized his long range and jab.

Joshua on the other hand is a long range counter puncher; Who likes the action in the center of the ring and doesn't cut the ring off. He doesn't like to fight at short range. This will make it easier for Wilder to create enough distance and space in order to land that left right combination punch of his.

Moreover, Joshua defense is largely dependent on parrying and blocking punches with his gloves. As history as shown Wilder punches are so fast and powerful that he could punch through or around the gloves.

The key to this fight is for Joshua is to neutralize Wilder's jab. If he could do that then he could force Deontay to fight him at mid range in order to counter him.

Other than that, Joshua's chances are not that good because once Deontay starts touching him with that right hand then it's a rap. The fight will be over.

[JWHardin]

At all, and Ortiz became that "highly skilled", HW version of Rigondeaux lol since he fought Wilder.

Ortiz got dat skillz doe..

Ortiz won about 200 more fights as an amateur than Povetkin, but that isn't what makes him better or more dangerous, it is his style. Please don't compare him to Rigo, who in my book is a quitter. Sad and ****** comparison.

The only way we will really know is if they fight. Since Ortiz is seemingly banned from the rest of the ABC's, we probably won't find out.

[mlac]

Ortiz won about 200 more fights as an amateur than Povetkin, but that isn't what makes him better or more dangerous, it is his style. Please don't compare him to Rigo, who in my book is a quitter. Sad and ****** comparison.

The only way we will really know is if they fight. Since Ortiz is seemingly banned from the rest of the ABC's, we probably won't find out.

LOL yeah against domestic level nobodies

Povetkin won olympic gold, European championships gold x2 world championships gold

Ortiz won: nothing. ....but he won 200 more fights doe!!!

[koolkc107]

Just need to point out a few things to "Mr Objectivity" about Duhaupas.

The fight with Povetkin was on 20 hours notice. Duhaupas literally had less than a day to prepare...and still went half the fight. I highly doubt Duhaupas gets out of round one if he had to fight Wilder on less than a day's notice.

Povetkin was on steroids when he fought Duhaupas. He has tested positive days before for Ostarine. So what is a more impressive victory? A KO in 11 rounds after a full camp from a clean fighter or a KO in 6 rounds on less than a day's notice from a guy on 'roids?

Duhaupas, though not likely to wind up on a P4P list, is a decent opponent. He has beaten names contenders like Charr and Helenius, and recently went all 12 with Big Baby Miller.

Do better next time, Objective dude...