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and deep down they know it's because the alabama soul pole changes your f#cking life and career. joshua isn't scared of wilder. hearn is worried about the value of his asset in the long term. wilders team wanted this fight this year if they could make it. i don't think wilder's team is at home crying about it being next year, hearn did not want it this year and that is so abundantly clear.
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and deep down they know it's because the alabama soul pole changes your f#cking life and career. joshua isn't scared of wilder. hearn is worried about the value of his asset in the long term. wilders team wanted this fight this year if they could make it. i don't think wilder's team is at home crying about it being next year, hearn did not want it this year and that is so abundantly clear. -
You dont agree to a vague 50 Million dollar statement with the the other side unwilling to discuss or provide paper work .
Hearn was not happy with the terms he EVENTUALLY saw so he moved on .
Team Wilder didnt and in the end AGREED to 15 Million that they backed out of .....
TRY again !
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You dont agree to a vague 50 Million dollar statement with the the other side unwilling to discuss or provide paper work .
Hearn was not happy with the terms he EVENTUALLY saw so he moved on .
Team Wilder didnt and in the end AGREED to 15 Million that they backed out of .....
TRY again !
that's exactly how it goes down, actually. you don't progress the talks any further if you don't agree to the money. that's the main point of all of this, like any other transaction.
you have very plain, basic terms, and it's not binding to come and discuss them. 50 million with an upside, fight is in the US and next. hearn wasn't willing to do that. came up with every reason under the sun and shifted his narrative based on his audience, the time of day, the color of the boxers he wore that morning. he even lied about why he was in the US! the guy is trying to get US TV or streaming money, he wasn't there to negotiate for joshua, he didn't like the offer and there was nothing to talk about!
eventually it came out that the money was real [of course it's f#cking real, this is las vegas and f#cking CBS and al haymon] and that hearn wants the fight in the UK and in 2019, which we knew all along. and wilder's probably still going to take a flat fee and get underpaid.
this guy right here is why eddie hearn makes so much f#cking money. british fans are casuals, they've never had aHW champion as boxing fans and it's easy to take advantage of them.Comment
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You can't claim to understand THIS business when you were a money mark who lost hundreds of thousands of dollars so you could play fantasy boxing promoter. Finkel is the most successful manager in heavyweight history. The fact that you won't even consider, for one second, that he may have thought of reasons you didn't think of, is absolutely hilarious.
That's not the simplest reason. The simplest reason is that Finkel thought taking the meeting would weaken their position. You're either unaware of, or inexperienced in, the psychological games and foreplay that go on between two top negotiators in a massive deal of this nature. Especially in boxing where the result of a fight can be so catastrophic to your business.The simplest reason is often the most likely. Shelly didnt take the meeting, because on some level, he didnt want to make that particular deal at this particular time.
We've seen that in the end, Hearn simply didn't want the 50 million offer. He's admitted, on record, that AJ would rather take 35 million in the UK than 50 million in the US. I guarantee you AJ didn't come to that conclusion on his own. Any fighter in the world would rather take 50 million for a fight than 35 million for a fight. Even if the fight had to be on the moon. So that is Hearn having to convince his fighter not to take the richest deal in heavyweight history.
At the time Hearn was going to be in NY for the Jacobs fight, Finkel's position was that it was the 50 million US deal or no deal at all. After the low ball 12.5 million flat fee, Wilder's side needed to create some leverage and strength, which they did with the 50 million offer. For Hearn to refuse to say whether 50 million was enough, and want to sit down without revealing his position, if Finkel agrees to that sit down, he's weakening his stance that it's the 50 million offer or there's nothing else to discuss.
Shortly after Finkel refuses to meet to discuss anything else, Hearn increases his offer by several million dollars. So I'm not sure how we can criticize Finkel's decision when it so quickly resulted in the other side budging.
You look at everything in such simple terms because you're a very simple minded person. I completely get it that your brain can't fathom why you'd turn down that meeting. The nuance and the art involved in the early stages of a boxing negotiation at such a high level just isn't something you'll ever understand. But high level operators are playing a mental chess you're simply not cut out for. They're testing each other. They're looking for weakness. There's all sorts of gamesmanship and psychology taking place as they test each other out and poke and prod.
Finkel takes a very no nonsense approach. That's the way he's always been. The numbers are what the numbers are and he likes to cut through a lot of the bull****. He was never going to meet until he had a thumbs up or down on the 50 million.Comment
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Thats exactly how it goes down ?
NO its not , even Don King got a chuckle when asked about the 50 Million offer that included NO stipulations attached to it !
What went down was Hearn scheduled a meeting weeks prior to ACTUALLY discuss negotiating the fight and it was met with CANCELLATIONS ! That is a FACT
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Now what happens after that despite your revisions is stalling on team Wilders part for months and ending with more stalling on a contract they AGREED too .
You guys want to keep ignoring that though right ? lol
O.K carry on story telling about b.s not associated to actually making the fight happen , thats what you guys do best on here !
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Thats exactly how it goes down ?
NO its not , even Don King got a chuckle when asked about the 50 Million offer that included NO stipulations attached to it !
What went down was Hearn scheduled a meeting weeks prior to ACTUALLY discuss negotiating the fight and it was met with CANCELLATIONS ! That is a FACT.
Now what happens after that despite your revisions is stalling on team Wilders part for months and ending with more stalling on a contract they AGREED too .
You guys want to keep ignoring that though right ? lol
O.K carry on story telling about b.s not associated to actually making the fight happen , thats what you guys do best on here !
did hearn want to discuss the 50 million dollar offer or not?
did hearn hearn ever actually discuss the 50 million dollar offer? show this to me.
does he think the fight is bigger in the us or the UK?
does he question on july 6 whether or not funds were secure?
i spelled out in another post what this "meeting" looks like. the parties meet because hearn finds the most important terms of the 50 million dollar offer agreeable. he wants the fight. those terms are 50 million dollars with an upside, fight is next and in 2018, fight is in the US. they go out to dinner, get to know each other a little bit, talk about a few elements of the negotiation, but also the elements of hte promotion and working together in that regard. you need to have some kind of a relationship with the principals if you're putting up that kind of risk and making that kind of money together. this is what would primarily occur at this "meeting."
hearn is not bound by any of this! contracts would later be hashed out element for element, word for word literally, by lawyers. those are binding!
hearns "agreement" to come to the table was simply a symbol of agreement with the terms; specifically that he was comfortable with 50 million for a fight in the US and in 2018. he didn't do that.
he's on record saying that they're willing to take less money to have hte fight in the UK. he's done everything under the sun to keep this fight from happening next. you're blind or ****** if you cannot see that.Comment
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While Joshua was initially skeptical of the high offer, Hearn confirmed that it's legitimate and the money is there.But Hearn didn't ask for a contract. he asked for a meeting.
which was flat out denied
Absolutely amateur stuff.
If Wilder and his team genuinely wanted to make the fight and had a serious way of giving a proper offer with guaranteed funds etc, they'd have no problem discussing it like a normal person.
Instead they acted like children and cancelled everything. which has pretty much been the gist of everything they've done in this entire saga, ever since Wilder came out for the first time and said AJ had been ducking him for years.
hahahaha
Even with $50 million on the table, Joshua is willing to make less money in order to face Wilder in the UK.
If Wilder wins, then Joshua is willing to make the rematch in the United States.
"It's the general opinion of myself, AJ and Rob McCracken [Joshua's trainer] that because of the status of AJ in the fight and what we've built over here in the U.K. that we should try and get it over here because he has earned the right for that fight over here," Hearn told Nick Parkinson.
"If Wilder wins, the rematch can be over there in America. We are going back and forth with talks at the moment and I'm confident we can make that fight. AJ appreciates he might not make as much money by fighting in the U.K. but realises that Wilder should be coming to the U.K. to fight first."
Joshua has grown accustomed to having massive crowds at his events, which recently range from 76-90,000 fans packing a stadium.
He doesn't like the idea of having his biggest fight before a watered down crowd of British fans.
"AJ asked me how many British fans could get tickets if the fight was in America and could get over and I said about 6,000 and that's after we have done 250,000 in three fights and it doesn't seem right," Hearn said.
"He's keen to do the fight in the U.K. and from Rob's point of view it's an advantage. If it's in September it gives us the ability to go outside and we would have to consider Cardiff [the Principality Stadium], Wembley, the Olympic Stadium, Twickenham and Old Trafford. AJ wants it in London preferablyComment
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this article was posted on this site and many more was it a lie?Thats exactly how it goes down ?
NO its not , even Don King got a chuckle when asked about the 50 Million offer that included NO stipulations attached to it !
What went down was Hearn scheduled a meeting weeks prior to ACTUALLY discuss negotiating the fight and it was met with CANCELLATIONS ! That is a FACT.
Now what happens after that despite your revisions is stalling on team Wilders part for months and ending with more stalling on a contract they AGREED too .
You guys want to keep ignoring that though right ? lol
O.K carry on story telling about b.s not associated to actually making the fight happen , thats what you guys do best on here !
While Joshua was initially skeptical of the high offer, Hearn confirmed that it's legitimate and the money is there.
Even with $50 million on the table, Joshua is willing to make less money in order to face Wilder in the UK.
If Wilder wins, then Joshua is willing to make the rematch in the United States.
"It's the general opinion of myself, AJ and Rob McCracken [Joshua's trainer] that because of the status of AJ in the fight and what we've built over here in the U.K. that we should try and get it over here because he has earned the right for that fight over here," Hearn told Nick Parkinson.Comment
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