Hearn sets the record straight

[Kezzer]

It's possible this is the case uniquely in boxing, which I've only had limited direct experience in and nothing on the fight negotiation side, so I can't say you're incorrect, but this is definitely not the case in other sports or in the wider commercial world. I've had plenty of meetings where there was an expression of interest but not a clear agreement on key commercial points. To flat out refuse a meeting where there's a potential of reaching a deal worth many millions to each party is not typical commercial behaviour.

Shhh your ruining wilder fanboys logic with common sense

[OnePunch]

why wont you answer my question? is it possible shelly is smarter than you or more experienced in nine figure negotiations and thought of things you didnt think of?

Oh, so "smart" people never make a wrong move? Interesting. I'm sure the shareholders at Waddell & Reed will take comfort in your brilliant assessment.

And using your logic, since Eddie Hearn has done more "nine figure" deals than YOU have, your opinion must be worthless as well.

[Ray*]

you can try and belittle me with smarmy remarks all you want. And you can try and act like certain business protocols never apply in boxing. And you are wrong on both counts.

REGARDLESS of the business, if you really want a deal to happen, and the other side informs you they are in town and would like to do an informal sit-down, ANY rational businessman will take the meeting. Because WHY NOT? What did Shelly have to lose by sitting down with Hearn? Answer : NOTHING. And by NOT taking the meeting, he has potentially cost his client over $15 million in the short term, and possibly permanently, should AJ or Wilder lose their interim bouts.

Maybe the meeting gets the fight made, or maybe it would have been a complete waste of time. Who knows? Not me, and certainly not you. But waste of time or not, Shelly did his client no favors by refusing to meet with Hearn.

Am glad you mention this. I have had the same discuss on here, only to have posters trying the "Higher business level" thing thrown at me.

For 50 million dollars you can never go wrong sitting down with someone or anyone and iron out any issues or queries that they would have.

If am putting monies like that forward or receiving it i would definitely wouldn't mind sitting down, unless am doing so for another reason...This is why i blame both sides for messing this fight up.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

You have no interest in responding to my non-sensical post then proceeds to write a novel...

Yes - Key words: "at the moment" you illiterate spastic. Notice I said "the market is going digital" can you grasp the meaning of that? and you proceed to mention "at the moment".

And no we're talking about entertainment - If you don't have the ability to connect trends that's your own problem.

And you have the nerve to call me anything. Your lack of intelligence humours me to a great extent.

That's why you're stuck in the "at the moment" mind frame, and the rest of us are looking at tomorrow.

That's the difference between losers and winners.

"I go to more boxing shows than you've been to in your life". Ugh.. I don't understand why children these days have to puff up their chest on the internet. It's just sad.

One thing I can guarantee you, is that I was boxing and following boxing when you were a cell in your dad's sack my friend.

My amateur fight videos from the 90s have been posted here. Take a rest kid, before you get sent to school.

With regards to UFC vs Boxing. UFC is a franchise, boxing is a sport. Learn the difference. However, UFC did put on 5 shows in one year exceeding 1m buys (first ever sport), and average nearly 1m viewers on their free shows (again, craps on boxing) .

https://www.mmafighting.com/2017/1/23/14272564/ufc-has-biggest-pay-per-view-year-ever-in-2016

So yeah, there's a clear upward trend for the UFC in America, and a clear downward trend for boxing in America.

Straight back again🤣🤣
Get a life you sad c*nt. Seriously, you mustn’t have any sort of social life that doesn’t involve your keyboard😬😬😬

“At this moment” is fine, I was talking about this specific period in time you dumbass. I.e “at this moment in time”
Looks like you’re the illiterate one...🙈🙈

I go to more boxing shows a year than you’ve been to in your sad little LIFE. Deal with it.
“I was a fan when you were in your dads sack though”🤣🤣🤣
And again what was the last non matchroom show you went to????????
(Don’t duck the question b*tch)

2016 was UFC’s most successful year in its existence and it was still nowhere near as successful as boxings 2017
How many 1m+ PPV’s did UFC do the next year??? How many 2m+ PPV’s have they done EVER???
(Again don’t duck these questions...)

I’ll break it down a little further for you cause you are clearly ******ed...
Boxing’s average buyrate 2017= 585,000
UFC’s average buyrate 2017= 275,000.
“UFC craps on boxing doe”😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
What a f@cking clown😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[LacedUp]

Straight back again����
Get a life you sad c*nt. Seriously, you mustn’t have any sort of social life that doesn’t involve your keyboard������

“At this moment” is fine, I was talking about this specific period in time you dumbass. I.e “at this moment in time”
Looks like you’re the illiterate one...����

I go to more boxing shows a year than you’ve been to in your sad little LIFE. Deal with it.
“I was a fan when you were in your dads sack though”������
And again what was the last non matchroom show you went to????????
(Don’t duck the question b*tch)

2016 was UFC’s most successful year in its existence and it was still nowhere near as successful as boxings 2017
How many 1m+ PPV’s did UFC do the next year??? How many 2m+ PPV’s have they done EVER???
(Again don’t duck these questions...)

I’ll break it down a little further for you cause you are clearly ******ed...
Boxing’s average buyrate 2017= 585,000
UFC’s average buyrate 2017= 275,000.
“UFC craps on boxing doe”��������������������������
What a f@cking clown������������������������������

You're right that I do spend probably 17 hours a day on my laptop as I run a business. It kind of comes with the territory, not that you'd know or ever will.

Hahaha, ultimate deflection you sad bastard "The market is going digital" turns into "this specific moment in time", man you're just not very intelligent, are you?

If you had more than the sad one braincell left after no doubt being fed crack as a baby, you'd understand that I said where the market is going and I was talking about what was going to bring boxing back. Clearly then I'm not discussing what's happening right now. haha. Totally flew over your empty skull.

A 20 year old child calling my life little is quite funny. As I said, my amateur boxing videos from the 90s are on this forum you fat donkey

The last non-matchroom pro show I went to was Canelo vs GGG in Vegas. Have you ever been to Vegas? I've watched pro boxing live in the U.S, UK, India, Brazil, Denmark, Sweden, Malaysia, Thailand, Australia and have watched amateur boxing in Denmark, Greece, Ireland, U.K, U.S incl. two olympics, three world championships and two european championships.

I've seen the ABAs since 2005 and used to work as a reporter for the Daily Star, reporting specifically on boxing in the U.K - Amateur and pro. So yeah, I doubt you've been to see as many boxing shows as me, and I doubt you've ever laced up the gloves.

I did also go to several amateur shows incl. billericay's recent schoolboy show as my mate's lad fights there. I also attend most of my own gym's salisbury local shows where my company is a sponsor for the schoolboys and the juniors.

Yes I went to Haye vs Bellew 2. So what? I'm also going to see Manny Pacquiao later this month.

Yes 2016 was the most successful year in the UFC - Do you understand how trends work? I know you're not an educated man, but let me try to explain something..

When one business is 20 years old and basically created something that's not even legal in the entirety of the market they operate in, is competing with a 120 year old pro industry with some of the biggest names in sports ever - It's crapping on it. Especially when boxing needs the UFCs biggest star to sell PPVs.

So you have one company on an upwards trajectory, and one sport on a downward trajectory. Can you grasp this?

the PPVs might have been better for boxing in 2017 - Largely due to the UFC ironically. However, the cable fights were still outdone by the UFC.

Also, the average buy rate was 305k not 275k.

[that g]

Everything is at the "discretion," but you said it's not mentioned in the rules, which isn't true.


FROM THE WBA RULES:

Requests to engage in a title unification bout shall be given special consideration, and the committee and President may give greater weight to the reasons and arguments for such requests, in recognition of the interest of the boxing community to effectuate title unifications.

The ASSOCIATION will stimulate the making of unification Title Fights with other recognized organizations, and to such event the ASSOCIATION will keep a special legislation applicable for this type of fights


Unification > Mandatory in the WBA, WBC & WBO. Unification > Mandatory in the IBF as long as the mandatory hasn't asked for a purse bid yet.

man, how you can read that bolded, and come up with your unification>mandatory no matter what conclusion, is beyond me. it's simple reading comprehension. it clearly says its special consideration, meaning they will consider it important, and MAY even give it precedence, but WILL NOT be bound by it if they do not wish to be.

you are just arguing for arguing's sake at this point. give it up. you're busted. you own multiple accounts, post for pay, and now you've been caught red-handed as a liar.

next thing is we're going to find out you've opened entire threads just to have discussions with yourself through your multiple accounts.

[N/A]

man, how you can read that bolded, and come up with your unification>mandatory no matter what conclusion, is beyond me.

Because that is the language the WBA uses to justify approving unification over mandatory. Every time. All of the orgs approve unification over mandatory every time except the caveat with the IBF of it being too late once a purse bid is ordered.

[juggernaut666]

man, how you can read that bolded, and come up with your unification>mandatory no matter what conclusion, is beyond me. it's simple reading comprehension. it clearly says its special consideration, meaning they will consider it important, and MAY even give it precedence, but WILL NOT be bound by it if they do not wish to be.

you are just arguing for arguing's sake at this point. give it up. you're busted. you own multiple accounts, post for pay, and now you've been caught red-handed as a liar.

next thing is we're going to find out you've opened entire threads just to have discussions with yourself through your multiple accounts.

"and NOW you've been caught red-handed as a liar. "

Now ? Dont you know this goes on daily on here ? lol

The fact WBC WBA IBF admits to having multiple accounts and being paid to be on here calls for a ban ,this nimrod should be permanently booted ! His garbage has run its course far to long ,,, what the F boxingscene ?

[N/A]

Oh, so "smart" people never make a wrong move? Interesting. I'm sure the shareholders at Waddell & Reed will take comfort in your brilliant assessment.

Stop deflecting. Answer the question. You lost hundreds of thousands of dollars so you could pretend to be in the boxing business. Finkel is one of the smartest and most successful people in the history of boxing. So when you couldn't think of any reason to not take that meeting, what does it say about your personality that you authoritatively declared there was no reason not to take it, instead of considering the possibility there may be reasons that wouldn't occur to you because you've never been involved in negotiations at that level?

And using your logic, since Eddie Hearn has done more "nine figure" deals than YOU have, your opinion must be worthless as well.

By my own logic, if I don't understand something a very intelligent and successful person does, I don't authoritatively declare that there are no reasons to do what they did. I consider the possibility that they are more experienced and informed than I am and may have considered factors that wouldn't have occurred to me.

Nowhere in any of this have I criticized any of Hearn's moves. I've praised them all. He's played this brilliantly every step of the way. Nothing but respect and admiration for Hearn, the most brilliant promoter in the world right now.

Hearn has the #1 cash cow in boxing. Wilder is the #1 most dangerous knockout puncher in boxing. Why would any competent promoter rush the #1 cash cow into the ring with the #1 most dangerous knockout puncher in boxing?

To suggest that Hearn was eager to make this fight next is to suggest that Hearn is wholly incompetent.

[N/A]

WBC WBA IBF admits to having multiple accounts

That is a lie. This is my only account.