Comments Thread For: Hearn: At This Stage, I Believe Wilder Does NOT Want Joshua Fight!

[kafkod]

You should stop assuming something is true just because Eddie Hearn said it. It might be true, it might not be true. But as a promoter, it's his job to lie, and he lies so often, that it's completely illogical to blindly believe something is true simply because Eddie Hearn said it.

I'm not saying you should automatically believe something simply because Wilder or Finkel said it, but if Wilder was the skilled liar and manipulator Hearn was, he'd be a promoter and not a fighter. Hearn makes way more money than Wilder does and he makes that money because he's an incredible promoter, one of the best of the modern era, and a true heir apparent to King and Arum as a master manipulator.

Finkel is a manager, not a promoter. He's a numbers guy. He's a contract guy. He's skilled at making deals and protecting fighters. If he was the charismatic public speaker Hearn is, maybe he'd be a promoter. Finkel and Hearn have very different jobs. Tricking the public is an essential part of Hearn's job. If it was an essential part of Finkel's job, then I'm sure Finkel would be lying publicly every day too.

So your stance boils down to this -

Hearn is a boxing promoter, which means he must be lying.

Finkel is not a boxing promoter, which means he must be telling the truth.

[kafkod]

You should stop assuming something is true just because Eddie Hearn said it.

That would be extremely ******. As ****** as assuming something is a lie ... just because Eddie Hearn said it.

[N/A]

That would be extremely ******. As ****** as assuming something is a lie ... just because Eddie Hearn said it.

I don't assume something is a lie because Eddie Hearn said it. I'm experienced and educated enough on the techniques he uses to easily spot his lies and I'd imagine most in the industry can easily spot them as well. In the average IFL video, not a minute goes by where he hasn't lied or heavily manipulated. Which is fine. That's his job. He's not there to tell the truth. He's there to push his agenda. As he should. The only part I object to is that for some reason UK boxing fans are so brainwashed, they take his every word as gospel. Anywhere else, the public knows that boxing promoters are full of **** and some of the least trust worthy people on earth.

[N/A]

So your stance boils down to this -

Hearn is a boxing promoter, which means he must be lying.

Finkel is not a boxing promoter, which means he must be telling the truth.

You're a simple minded person, so I understand why you need to boil things down so simplistically. But the truth is more nuanced.

Hearn is a boxing promoter, so his job is to constantly lie. Therefore we shouldn't automatically assume something is true just because he said it.

Finkel isn't a boxing promoter, so his job isn't to constantly lie. Therefore it's more likely he's telling the truth, but his statements should still be given the same scrutiny as Hearn's.

If you catch Finkel in a lie, by all means, call it out. Hearn is caught in a lie on a daily basis. Hearn is essentially the boxing equivalent of a politician. Lying to the public and manipulating the public are absolutely essential to the job.

[N/A]

So you're suggesting that because Finkel is now a manager and a "numbers guy" he has just completely forgotten how to trick the public .. after all Finkel co-promoted at the time the largest PPV event going in Tyson v spinks .

Stop being a troll. Let's have a normal conversation like two civilized people. There's no need to argue against things nobody said. Finkel has surely had to be a skilled manipulator in his profession, but manipulating the public isn't his focus like it is for Hearn.

As for Tyson vs. Spinks, pretty misleading to call Finkel "co-promoter." First of all, he was a manager back then, not a promoter. Second of all, his involvement in that fight was setting up some of the closed circuit locations. Don King was the promoter of the event.

[Smash]

its hard to believe that this is still being going over again and again and again, im going to laugh so hard when this fight is made, just like golovkin and his last fight, same **** everytime, like a hamster on a wheel, he said this he said that, look whats happening now, he doesnt want this, he want that lolz

both guys are going to make a **** load of cash on this fight, wilder 15 mil plus, joshua 30 plus, thats how it is, they all win, plus rematch options, its all good

[BennyBlanco]

The fight is agreed and both AJ and Wilder"s management are procrastinating to allow AJ to fight Povetkin to finish his Showtime contract so joshua wilder I and II can be on DaZN. I mean, why do you think Povetkin is quiet and not calling AJ out for a massive pay day. Because he knows he is next.

Wilder won't fight on DAZN.

He says he is loyal to Showtime, plus it would mean much less money if the fight is on DAZN. DAZN doesn't believe in PPVs, so they would pay a flat license fee.

[BennyBlanco]

Did Hearn say he gave a response to the term sheet for it to be a lie?

So the contract took a few days more to get there. That's not a lie. Everything doesn't need to be exact. They got the contract. That's all that matters.

So it took Eddie a few days to get back to them on the 2 questions Finkle had. And?

If this is what you're using to paint Hearn as some kind of liar, then you're going to be laughed off this forum. Nothing there shows Eddie to be a liar.

Bottom line: Yesterday Finkel says Eddie will have the contract back by Friday.

Eddie's response? Panic. He says the offer is off the table and he's moving on to the Povetkin fight.

[Sid-Knee]

This is really a unwinnable dispute between us but it adds ****e to what both of us must consider a frustrating turn of events.

It is frustrating. I just want the fight. But you know how it is with big fights, we first have to put up with a load of bull****.

[Sid-Knee]

Not going to chase down every broadcaster for a non-PPV fight, but Showtime (US), Televisa (Mexico), TSN (Canada), Sky Sports (UK/Ireland), Match TV(Russia), RPC Channel 4 (Panama) and SuperSport (Sub-Saharan Africa) are all confirmed to have had the rights to the fight, and it would not shock me for a moment if Polsat (Poland), Canal Space (Latin America), and Main Event (Australia), among other broadcasters got the fight too.

Dig for another moment and you'd find that CSI Sports scooped up the Wilder-Ortiz rights for roughly 50 countries, and the nation count keeps growing.

Nice try, though

Only 50 countries? Didn't you try to tell me that their world-wide appeal wasn't far off each other?

Nice try, though.