Comments Thread For: Hearn: At This Stage, I Believe Wilder Does NOT Want Joshua Fight!

[Scipio2009]

So it doesn't match what Joshua does then? Right.

And do you think the people in those countries watch Wilder as much as they do Joshua? Ones a big star with appeal who fights meaningful fights, the other fights bums his whole career and has zero star quality.

Lol. If you want to go through the full count and chase down everything, there aren't many countries, if any, where folks can see a Joshua fight yet not see Wilder.

And let's cut it with all of this "big star appeal"; Joshua is a superstar in the UK, but let's be realistic here.

The Klitschko fight helped him get on RTL, and we know what Showtime views Joshua as being worth, but let's not act as if that says anything about Mexico/Canada/Latin America or anything Russia/Asia (Western Europe/Africa basically being in the same time zone as primetime for Joshua's events, yet where's the talk of Joshua's viewership reach across Europe).

Joshua's a superstar in his home market; anyone who argues that Deontay Wilder isn't a star in the US is a fool.

[Sid-Knee]

Lol. If you want to go through the full count and chase down everything, there aren't many countries, if any, where folks can see a Joshua fight yet not see Wilder.

And let's cut it with all of this "big star appeal"; Joshua is a superstar in the UK, but let's be realistic here.

The Klitschko fight helped him get on RTL, and we know what Showtime views Joshua as being worth, but let's not act as if that says anything about Mexico/Canada/Latin America or anything Russia/Asia (Western Europe/Africa basically being in the same time zone as primetime for Joshua's events, yet where's the talk of Joshua's viewership reach across Europe).

Joshua's a superstar in his home market; anyone who argues that Deontay Wilder isn't a star in the US is a fool.

In a country that has 326 million people, being watched by 1 million people in the US means you're a star? No, it doesn't. Give it up, man. Wilder will never be a star. Stop trying to make out he is because he's isn't.

[Scipio2009]

In a country that has 326 million people, being watched by 1 million people in the US means you're a star? No, it doesn't. Give it up, man. Wilder will never be a star. Stop trying to make out he is because he's isn't.

The UK is home to over 65 million people, and Anthony Joshua's biggest audience was 1.5m, so what are you talking about?

Pull the Klitschko fight, and what do Joshua's numbers really look like in the UK? Point to another fight where Joshua was over 800k, lol.

[N/A]

No Eddie, it is you and your father who didn't want the fight and you should have been more open and honest about it to the fans. You all at least owe us that much since we are the ones who are consuming the service that you provide.

They're trying to sell you fights. They don't owe you the truth if the truth is going to make it harder to sell fights. This is show business. Buy the show or don't. But you can't expect honesty when honesty is bad for business.

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If they didn't want the fight why did they send them a contract?.

They sent a contract for a low ball flat fee offer they never thought would be accepted.

It's not that Hearn never wants the fight. He just doesn't want it right now. To save face in the mean time, it's important for his business that AJ's fans believe Wilder is to blame for the delays. So going through the motions of these negotiations, only to then wind up with Povetkin is part of the process of making sure the Povetkin fight isn't flatly rejected by the UK public.

[N/A]

Wrong. Finkle was sending the contract back unsigned. He wanted 2 things changed about it before he signs it. So Hearn would have to draw up a new contract and send it back to be signed.

False. Finkel could have filled in the info, signed, sent, and then had Hearn signed the amended version. Finkel already said he'd be sending a SIGNED contract this week once he had clarification that the fight would be NEXT.

[champion4ever]

They're trying to sell you fights. They don't owe you the truth if the truth is going to make it harder to sell fights. This is show business. Buy the show or don't. But you can't expect honesty when honesty is bad for business.

Well that's true because all business men lie to a certain degree in order to maximize their profits and I get all of that. It's just the way they did Deontay Wilder was wrong, dirty and the whole world got to see it and their reputation is now irreparably harmed by this fiasco.

The public is going to remember this for a very long time and they are never going to be able to live this one down as it hurts them in the court of public opinion. In addition this is going to cost them and harm their business too, because your word is your bond. Some deals you can get done with just a handshake.

However, these negotiations proved to the world that they are shady, cannot be trusted and don't negotiate in good faith. In the future every boxing promoter or advisor/manager are going to want to exercise their Due diligence when dealing with these people; Matchroom boxing.

[N/A]

Well that's true because all business men lie to a certain degree in order to maximize their profits and I get all of that. It's just the way they did Deontay Wilder was wrong, dirty and the whole world got to see it and their reputation is now irreparably harmed by this fiasco.

Hearn is a cult leader. The UK fans believe everything he says. This "fiasco" will have minimal impact in the UK market. Hearn will convince everyone Deontay is to blame and life goes on.

[Sid-Knee]

The UK is home to over 65 million people, and Anthony Joshua's biggest audience was 1.5m, so what are you talking about?

Pull the Klitschko fight, and what do Joshua's numbers really look like in the UK? Point to another fight where Joshua was over 800k, lol.

Everyone pretty much knows who Joshua is in the UK. So yes, he is a star.

Joshua fights on PPV and does very good numbers. Wilder doesn't. So it's best not to compare them because that would be silly.

[Scipio2009]

Everyone pretty much knows who Joshua is in the UK. So yes, he is a star.

Joshua fights on PPV and does very good numbers. Wilder doesn't. So it's best not to compare them because that would be silly.

Whatever let's you sleep at night