Comments Thread For: Hearn: Joshua Wants Wilder - But He Wants The Fight in The UK

[Redgloveman]

No one has to prove a thing to you. However if you are going to discuss a topic with someone, and challenge their statements, it is proper to come with some facts of your own.

What many, including myself suggested was that Hearn say something like this "I accept your financial terms and wish to negotiate the other details prior to entering into any contractual obligation".

Ultimately what I'm getting from you is a vibe that we should all ignore the Hearn and Joshua flip flopping and caveats to the 50M offer because the 50M isn't there. Let's ignore that a fighter is saying he won't fight away from home. Let's ignore that 3 weeks ago it was about the guarantee but now it's about the fans. Was the 12.5M flat fee about the fans?

1. What do you want me to substantiate? I'll do my best to do it for you.

2. In my view, he's already done all that you can realistically ask him to at this stage by stating that he's interested and requesting a meeting. He's being cautious about saying "I accept the offer" because he doesn't want to be seen to accept the offer without knowing what it is. If there are terms which still need to be decided (which we've all agreed there are) it stands to reason that he wants to know that there is a degree of variability in the price, since this is the main factor in negotiations. He would be unwise to anchor himself to a price at this stage. I'm sure any legal adviser would agree.

3. What you call flip-flopping is not flip-flopping in my opinion. I think that both parties want to wait and have the fight at a later date. To be honest I think both parties are acting poorly. Hearn should never have sent a flat-fee offer (even as a starting point for negotiations) and Wilder's team should be willing to put the money in escrow if they have it available. If they don't have it available then they should not state that they do

[steeve steel]

Apparently Matchroom is the pioneer of a new form of prizeighting where boxers prefer to go where there is less money. They'd rather minimize profit instead of maximize it.

Goddammit! Eddy is a communist! I knew it!

[b00g13man]

This confirms what any smart poster was aware of. The offer was always real. The AJ fanboys were obviously too in love to see this.

There has only ever been one side not really interested in the fight, and it's not Team Wilder. Disappointing.

[Redgloveman]

https://www.boxingscene.com/joshua-w...e-deal--127770

Now please shut up with all your excuses. You're making up your own facts, you are about 2 weeks behind whats already happened. That cancellation was almost 2 weeks ago, earlier this week Hearn confirmed negotiations were at 70%, Joshua confirmed about 3 days ago that he's about 95% sure the fight gets done next, and Barry and now Eddie have both confirmed that the only sticking point is the location in which both acknowledged AJ makes more fighting in America. Enough with your bullschit

Thanks. That wasn't so hard was it?

I didn't make up a single fact, I was just going off the information that I had at the time. No need to get your panties in a twist, honey.

[Ake-Dawg]

And I wouldn't get involved in such a contract either, nor would I advise anyone to enter into such a contract. Even when (In fact especially when) it seems too good to be true

1. What do you want me to substantiate? I'll do my best to do it for you.

2. In my view, he's already done all that you can realistically ask him to at this stage by stating that he's interested and requesting a meeting. He's being cautious about saying "I accept the offer" because he doesn't want to be seen to accept the offer without knowing what it is. If there are terms which still need to be decided (which we've all agreed there are) it stands to reason that he wants to know that there is a degree of variability in the price, since this is the main factor in negotiations. He would be unwise to anchor himself to a price at this stage. I'm sure any legal adviser would agree.

3. What you call flip-flopping is not flip-flopping in my opinion. I think that both parties want to wait and have the fight at a later date. To be honest I think both parties are acting poorly. Hearn should never have sent a flat-fee offer (even as a starting point for negotiations) and Wilder's team should be willing to put the money in escrow if they have it available. If they don't have it available then they should not state that they do

I do believe Finkel stated that once the financial terms were agreed to, that they would gladly show proof of funds. At any rate, in a negotiation one party is not obligated to help make sure the other party has maximized his financial stake. Surely Hearn is within his right to want to know more details, but his side is the side receiving a guarantee, which comes with an inherent loss of control. He knows what the offer is, he doesn't know how much flexibility he has in making money above the financial terms. Big difference. As for flip flopping, Joshua said he would sign tomorrow if guaranteed 50M. Now he has said he isn't selling his belts and wants the fight in the UK. The flopping is the added layers that continue to arise after initial issues are presumably resolved.

Hearn and Joshua don't get to have their cake and eat it too.

[thack]

Although officially he's got no say in it Dinosaur Hearn Sr.'s stance last week was 'when the fans start picking the fights the fighter ends up skint' .Hardly the case here, A.J. is very wealthy and needs this fight in the eye's of the PAYING public .He doesn't need
a boring business plan from the old man....infact does he need the Hearns at all ?

[bgdddy6333]

Here we go with the excuses! For months Hearns keeps talking about Wilder doesnt want to fight or he is the B dighter. Wilder team says 50 million guarantee and they amount may double.. You want 50 million and Wilder to fight in the UK..

[Redgloveman]

I do believe Finkel stated that once the financial terms were agreed to, that they would gladly show proof of funds. At any rate, in a negotiation one party is not obligated to help make sure the other party has maximized his financial stake. Surely Hearn is within his right to want to know more details, but his side is the side receiving a guarantee, which comes with an inherent loss of control. He knows what the offer is, he doesn't know how much flexibility he has in making money above the financial terms. Big difference. As for flip flopping, Joshua said he would sign tomorrow if guaranteed 50M. Now he has said he isn't selling his belts and wants the fight in the UK. The flopping is the added layers that continue to arise after initial issues are presumably resolved.

Hearn and Joshua don't get to have their cake and eat it too.

All this discussion has stemmed from me asking whether the deal was real or not (i.e. the money was available or not). I'm happy to say that's been proved, so yeah; I'd agree that Joshua is flip-flopping, given that he's been offered the money that he asked for in good faith.

I'm very happy to be proved wrong because this fight is getting closer and I want to see it. Plus I don't like Eddie Hearn and want to see AJ get sparked out

[KnickTillDeaTh]

I don't get this doe, of course he isn't big in america so? Khan had more fight in america than Joshua in america, so your logic makes zero sense.

The problem is that many of you don't seem to understand how American boxing works as it pertains to a fighter being a "draw". For instance, Thurman and Danny Garcia are considered huge draws, yet they have never fought on PPV. Wilder is considered to be a draw because of his ratings. U.S. PPV is reserved for expensive fights that networks can't afford on a lower level, and for major draws on the higher level. Simply put, based on the way U.S. numbers work AJ's numbers are pedestrian. Wlad tried like mad to break in in the U.S. but he couldn't, yet his ratings were far better than AJ's at this stage. Simply fighting in the U.S. doesn't guarantee one's popularity. AJ may fight here and be huge, he may fight here and struggle to break in like Wlad, while making respectable ratings, or he may fight here and remain with pedestrian numbers. What we know, is by American boxing standards, Wilder is a draw and AJ is not.

[Holler]

1. What do you want me to substantiate? I'll do my best to do it for you.

2. In my view, he's already done all that you can realistically ask him to at this stage by stating that he's interested and requesting a meeting. He's being cautious about saying "I accept the offer" because he doesn't want to be seen to accept the offer without knowing what it is. If there are terms which still need to be decided (which we've all agreed there are) it stands to reason that he wants to know that there is a degree of variability in the price, since this is the main factor in negotiations. He would be unwise to anchor himself to a price at this stage. I'm sure any legal adviser would agree.

3. What you call flip-flopping is not flip-flopping in my opinion. I think that both parties want to wait and have the fight at a later date. To be honest I think both parties are acting poorly. Hearn should never have sent a flat-fee offer (even as a starting point for negotiations) and Wilder's team should be willing to put the money in escrow if they have it available. If they don't have it available then they should not state that they do

One of a series of very well constructed posts on this. I think you're right about both parties having a share in this. It feels like the well was poisoned early on in negotiations and all the leaking and asides to media have just compounded matters.