Comments Thread For: Hearn: Joshua Wants Wilder - But He Wants The Fight in The UK

[Ray*]

If he has been deemed to have entered into a contract and then reneged on the contract by refusing to fulfil their contractual obligations (principally, fighting at a proposed time and place) then Wilder's side could potentially sue for breach of contract.

The contractual measure of damages is that you have to put the party which has suffered loss as a result of your breach of contract into the position that they would have been in had you performed the contract correctly.

So Wilder could potentially sue for the full amount of money that he would have received had they fought. This could be a huge amount of money.

I'm not saying that a court would necessarily agree with a contract having been legally created - in all probability the contract would be considered "void for uncertainty" which is where the contract hasn't been drafted in sufficient detail for the parties to actually complete their obligations. Having said that, no legal adviser would ever consider allowing the risk of a contract being held to be valid - it just flat out would NEVER happen.

Even aside from this, Hearn would be in a terrible position from a PR point of view as well as legally in a bad place. Again, no lawyer in their right mind would ever allow Hearn to say "I accept the offer".

Concerning that I haven't searched google extensively, including hours' worth of time on youtube trawling through videos, in the hunt for something that I don't know actually exists - I'm sure you'll forgive me if I say I don't really have the time.

Massive points made in here, the highlighted part is one a lot of these posters don't understand. I would repeat my stance, if the offer is for 50m without any thing that would make or put Joshua in any legal issues with his previous clients then take the fight anywhere. No excuses about UK fans etc

[steeve steel]

Isn't prize fighting about money, Eddy?

[Redgloveman]

What u will do is ask you to respectfully bow out of the business of questioning the statements of thise that have made time given that you have not taken said time to familiarize yourself with all facts and statements made by the relevant parties.

Lastly, please don't use the contractually obligated if Hearn agrees to the financial terms argument if you yourself cannot see how Hearn would be entering into a contract. Specifically when Hearn himself said he didn't want to accept the financial terms THEN look like a schmuck for backing out for location and sponsorship reasons.

By the way, your entire first paragraph is the primary reason why accepting the offer wouldn't contractually obligated Joshua. There was no date, time, location or anything pertinent to an executed contract outside of financial terms and who controlled the location in the offer.

So you think the burden of proof for establishing that something exists is on the person who doesn't believe that it exists? That makes no sense to me, man. I wouldn't ask you to search for something which you deny the existence of, that would be asking too much. If you know it exists then you know how to find it, so please show me. As I've said before, I'd be happy to be proved wrong.

I didn't say that Hearn would necessarily be entering into a contract. In fact, I distinctly remember saying that I believed that the contract would be void for uncertainty for the reasons you refer to (time and place for performance of the contract has not been established). It doesn't stop the fact that he would be putting himself in a position of legal doubt which is not something that you want to do when you're dealing with millions and millions of dollars. Similarly, I said that he would also not want to put himself into such a weak position from a PR point of view - which is what you refer to when you talking about him not wanting to "look like a schmuck"

This is all sound reasoning. I don't see the problem with it. I wouldn't be giving assurances that I'd accept such an offer, so I wouldn't expect Hearn to. I don't know why other people seem so willing to put themselves into terrible positions and insist that others should be so ill-advised.

[ShoulderRoll]

Joshua asked for $50 million and he's getting it. Why keep adding more demands now?

It's plain as day who is ducking the fight. I hope all of the fans can see it at this point.

[thack]

Fights of this magnitude go to the biggest financial opportunity which no doubt has got be America.If as the previous post say's there's no binding legal issues then A.J. should take this fight and not look for excuses about home advantage.

[Ake-Dawg]

So you think the burden of proof for establishing that something exists is on the person who doesn't believe that it exists? That makes no sense to me, man. I wouldn't ask you to search for something which you deny the existence of, that would be asking too much. If you know it exists then you know how to find it, so please show me. As I've said before, I'd be happy to be proved wrong.

I didn't say that Hearn would necessarily be entering into a contract. In fact, I distinctly remember saying that I believed that the contract would be void for uncertainty for the reasons you refer to (time and place for performance of the contract has not been established). It doesn't stop the fact that he would be putting himself in a position of legal doubt which is not something that you want to do when you're dealing with millions and millions of dollars. Similarly, I said that he would also not want to put himself into such a weak position from a PR point of view - which is what you refer to when you talking about him not wanting to "look like a schmuck"

This is all sound reasoning. I don't see the problem with it. I wouldn't be giving assurances that I'd accept such an offer, so I wouldn't expect Hearn to. I don't know why other people seem so willing to put themselves into terrible positions and insist that others should be so ill-advised.

No one has to prove a thing to you. However if you are going to discuss a topic with someone, and challenge their statements, it is proper to come with some facts of your own.

What many, including myself suggested was that Hearn say something like this "I accept your financial terms and wish to negotiate the other details prior to entering into any contractual obligation".

Ultimately what I'm getting from you is a vibe that we should all ignore the Hearn and Joshua flip flopping and caveats to the 50M offer because the 50M isn't there. Let's ignore that a fighter is saying he won't fight away from home. Let's ignore that 3 weeks ago it was about the guarantee but now it's about the fans. Was the 12.5M flat fee about the fans?

[ShoulderRoll]

Isn't prize fighting about money, Eddy?

Apparently Matchroom is the pioneer of a new form of prizeighting where boxers prefer to go where there is less money. They'd rather minimize profit instead of maximize it.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

He said that immediately when the offer was made. The deal hasn't moved any closer and I think cancelling meetings and saying "we're not willing to talk until you take the offer which you're not privy to" is a big part of why.

I just don't think either side wants the fight yet - but you can't say that the offer was real unless you actually have some kind of proof, which would be extremely easy to provide if it was real. Just put the money in escrow and get the fight made.

It's that simple

https://www.boxingscene.com/joshua-wilder-hearn-reveals-postitive-talks-70-chance-deal--127770

Now please shut up with all your excuses. You're making up your own facts, you are about 2 weeks behind whats already happened. That cancellation was almost 2 weeks ago, earlier this week Hearn confirmed negotiations were at 70%, Joshua confirmed about 3 days ago that he's about 95% sure the fight gets done next, and Barry and now Eddie have both confirmed that the only sticking point is the location in which both acknowledged AJ makes more fighting in America. Enough with your bullschit

[Boxing Goat]

Ok, so it's official. Joshua ducked Wilder.

Let's stop discussing this already.

[Boxing Goat]

Deontay Wilder really has this boy shook.
Didn’t Joshua say he’d take the fight if 50 million was offered?
Now he has more demands and excuses to avoid wilder.
If the fight is in the UK the offer will go down to like 25 mil.
The casinos and hotel guys want this fight in Vegas.

^ This, and it's not debatable. This is a duck and a direct contradiction of what Joshua said himself. No two ways about it. It's obvious who wants this fight and who doesn't.