Comments Thread For: Loeffler Ecstatic With Golovkin's Ratings, Matching Hopkins Record

[Boxing-1013]

That was very early in his career he avenged that questionable loss with a brutal 2nd rd ko.It's reported Marvin went into that fight ill and the decision was a close UD that many believe Marvin would have won by UD if it wasn't in Monroe's hometown.GGG struggled with light MW Kasim Ouma.Get real.

A c+ plus fighter at best.He was also getting schooled by Kell Brook before his eye socket gave way.GGG was outboxed by both Canelo and Jacobs.The Monroe fight was when Marvin was relatively green.That was a lame excuse for an argument.Marvin would have beaten the crap out of GGG.He was on a whole different level in in terms of skill versatility and toughness.

Excuses are out of date. And he lost to Monroe twice...not once, but twice.

He finished Ouma, when he was 'ill' (since we are using excuses now). Basically retired him, broke his jaw. I agree that was probably his toughest fight to date. But that showed GGG's toughness.

Ouma was a fmr champion though? It was a competitive fight up until the stoppage but he ended it didn't he?

Lol schooled by Kell Brook - outlanded him in every round and knocked down in round 3.
https://www.boxingscene.com/gennady-...-stats--108627

Lol outboxed by Canelo and Jacobs - outlanded them in 10/11 rounds and 9/11 rounds respectively. Dropped Jacobs and hurt him multiple times. How do you say they outboxed GGG but Leonard didn't outbox Hagler Lol??? Come on dude. Anyone saying Jacobs especially, or Canelo, did enough to take the titles from the champ is out of their dang mind.

I agree Hagler was tough, but he was a one-trick pony. He came at you and almost everyone couldn't match his power, chin and toughness. GGG could, and GGG is a considerably better boxer.

Honestly you saying that Canelo Jacobs and Brook were outboxing GGG tells everyone all they need to know about your interests. You can't even accurately analyze GGG because of how he looks. It's tiresome.

No point in talking anymore - 1) you think Kell Brook was schooling GGG 2) you think Canelo beat GGG 3) you think Jacobs beat GGG and 4) you think Hagler beat Leonard.

GGG could KO Charlo Dervy Saunders Canelo and Jacobs and you would still find a way to hate him.

[Boxing-1013]

Stop trying to elevate GGG above Marvin with ridiculous statements like Marvin isn't in the discussion. GGG aint in the discussion with Marvin.Not the other way around.I understand GGG groupies like yourself will always distort the facts.All anyone needs to do is watch both fighters in their prime.Any reasonable unbiased individual would agree Marvin would run him out of the ring.GGG has fought the real push overs with no names on his resume.Marvin beat all time greats in Duranfat old 140 Duran,Hearnscoming up in weight and Leonardfirst fight at MW and schooled Hagler lol who campaigned at or around MW before they faced Marvin.

So they were accustomed to the weight and had grown into the weightHearns and Leonard 1st fights were at 160 with Hagler!!.Unlike Kell Brook who had to jump two weight divisions and had never even campaigned at junior MW before he faced GGG at MW. But still managed to back him up,rock him and outbox GGG before his eye socket gave way.He was also taking GGGs punches relatively easily before the eye socket gave way.Get real.

GGG was beaten in the eyes of most fans and schooled by Jacobs and Canelo the best competition he ever faced but he's now elevated to the level of the greatest MW ever.And beats Marvin.You sound just like the biased,deceptive,misinformed groupie you are. Only other boxing novices think you know what you are talking. Those with boxing knowledge know,based on your ridiculous,biased statements,you are green and ignorant when it comes to great fighters and boxing.

Lol OK I wasn't sure, but I know you're a troll now. Leonard clearly beat Hagler. And that was his first fight at MW! Lol what are you talking about.

You are a clown man, but clowns are usually funny. Hagler is basically an outdated version of GGG, without the boxing credentials. Great tough brawler, but not on GGG's level with boxing skills.

You have no defense for Hagler's resume other than to lie. And again Hagler was an ATG. But claiming he had the boxing IQ of GGG is laughable. Facts: 1st fight at 160 Leonard beat him; fat old Duran almost did; he beat 1st fight at 160 Hearns; and a good win over Mugabi, who never beat anyone of note. And he got beat twice by a boxer/mover no one ever heard of - Willie Monroe. That's why Leonard beat him so bad, it's why a small fat old Duran almost beat him. He couldn't beat guys who could box and move - you can't name one

GGG dominated amateurs and pros and has never been close to being beat but 15 good-great fighters. Hagler faced maybe 10-15 and lost 3 times. Just the way it is. You can twist that however you want but those are the facts. Anyway this is going nowhere so try and watching some actual footage man! You look silly saying some of the things you said!

[dray435]

Can't refute what I said, so try and throw out insults, interesting...It's just the truth. Look at some of Hagler's fights if you haven't. Totally different game now and then. I give Marvin credit, he was tough as hell and if you went to war with him you would probably lose. But his only 2 wins of note (Duran was old, fighting 20 pounds up of his natural weight, and still almost beat him!) were against two brawlers who were moving up in weight (Mugabe and Hearns). He was supposed to be able to outlast those guys, and he did. Hearns fought him all wrong, but I do give Marvin credit for taking the punishment from Mugabe and Hearns and stopping those guys.

But if you could box and move, Marvin was in trouble. He had no real boxing pedigree, he was just a tough brawler. I don't think GGG matchup wise was good for him anyway, with Marvin's height disadvantage and GGG's jab, I see Marvin trying to walk GGG down and GGG keeping him at bay and working him over pretty well. Show me any footage of Marvin boxing his way in against Monroe or Leonard, if you have any?

Btw - if GGG was black, all the people who hate him would agree he was the best ever MW. And all the people who love GGG now would agree. Just let that sink in...

Dude you sound ridiculous.You are a GGG groupie personified.Marvin just a brawler? Seriously what are you smoking?Marvin was a much more versatile fighter than GGG.He could box and brawl.Movers only became somewhat of a problem after his legs went.Like in the Leonard fight where he had no legs.He beat all styles in his prime.The third Monroe fight was a great example he flattened Monroe in the third fight and Monroe was a good slippery boxer.Hence the name the worm.And Monroe was in full boxing mode the third fight.That's a myth. A point that most boxing novices and GGG groupies use to try and diminish Marvins legendary status.While deceptively elevating GGG with lies and misinformation.If GGG was such a good boxer why was he schooled and befuddled by a flat footed fighter in Canelo and grade b boxer in Jacobs, as well as a blown up welterweight in a very good but not great fighter in Kell Brook? GGG wouldn't last 7 rds with a prime Marvin Hagler.Cut the charade.It's finally some one on the board that actually knows a thing or two about boxing and truly great fighters.

[dray435]

Lol OK I wasn't sure, but I know you're a troll now. Leonard clearly beat Hagler. And that was his first fight at MW! Lol what are you talking about.

You are a clown man, but clowns are usually funny. Hagler is basically an outdated version of GGG, without the boxing credentials. Great tough brawler, but not on GGG's level with boxing skills.

You have no defense for Hagler's resume other than to lie. And again Hagler was an ATG. But claiming he had the boxing IQ of GGG is laughable. Facts: 1st fight at 160 Leonard beat him; fat old Duran almost did; he beat 1st fight at 160 Hearns; and a good win over Mugabi, who never beat anyone of note. And he got beat twice by a boxer/mover no one ever heard of - Willie Monroe. That's why Leonard beat him so bad, it's why a small fat old Duran almost beat him. He couldn't beat guys who could box and move - you can't name one

GGG dominated amateurs and pros and has never been close to being beat but 15 good-great fighters. Hagler faced maybe 10-15 and lost 3 times. Just the way it is. You can twist that however you want but those are the facts. Anyway this is going nowhere so try and watching some actual footage man! You look silly saying some of the things you said!

The only reason some are claiming you are knowledgeable about boxing is because they dont know boxing. Let me start out by first emphasizing Marvin Hagler established himself as arguably the greatest MW in history while he was well past his best.He didn't get his first title shot until his 49th fight which is unheard of in this era when they are fighting for titles with as little as 19 fights.. The long rd to the title essentially eroded his skills. The version of Marvin who fought Leonard was well past his best and was only a shell of the fighter he once was.Which is the only reason Leonard agreed to fight him in the first place.

Because he knew he could never beat him in his prime. A prime Marvin Hagler would have stopped Leonard in 7-8 rds and Leonard knew as much that's why he refused to face him when he was in his prime..The war with Mugabi had also taken a lot out of a well past his peak version of Hagler.He had no legs in the Leonard fight, no reflexes and his timing was way off.

Leonard on the other hand was well rested and rejuvinated and had engaged in mock fights for over a year in preparation for the fight with Marvin. When you consider the fact that all the concessions Marvin made in terms of ring size, fight distance and glove size. All in Leonard's favor in addition to being well past his best, but yet Leonard was still in a close fight that should have never been awarded to the challenger.You have to beat the champion convincingly to win the title.Something he never did.

Marvin should have retained his title that night.In regards to fighting smaller champions Marvin was focused on big money fights because he was on his way out and trying to get the really big paydays while trying secure his legacy by fighting highly skilled, tough and determined all time greats. The comparison to GGG is absurd and is bordering on boxing blasphemy. Leonard, Hearns and Duran were far superior tougher and skilled fighters than Jacobs,Canelo and Kell Brook. Therefore more difficult challenges for Marvin. All three would have trounced and beaten GGG Jacobs and Kell Brook convincingly.Kell Brook is a champion but Leonard, Hearns and Duran were all time greats with much better skills, that's the difference.

Because of their skill level and an array of dangerous tools they were on a completely different level. In regards to the Duran fight Duran was on a different level than any fighter Marvin had faced and was much more defensively sound and skilled. Marvin knew he couldn't just go for the knock out because Duran would pick you apart that way.Just ask Iran Barkley and Davey Moore how that strategy worked out.

It was more of a tactical and strategic fight. Marvin matched boxing IQ with Duran and beat him convincingly.Marvin beat Duran convincingly despite what the biased sports announcers and judges were saying and seeing. Al Bernstein was the only person calling that fight right that night.Al Bernstein said Marvin was completely outboxing and outfighting Duran in every way.An all time great in Duran by the way.

The facts are Duran was not old and was adjusted to the weight.And Duran was an all time great who would have taken GGG to school and punished him.It would have been hard for GGG to lay a glove on him being so slow with a predictable punch selection. GGG is more a brawler than anything.That's why he uses the moniker "mexican style" most mexican fighters are tough face first brawlers.Where are these vaunted boxing skills that you rave about?He was soundly outboxed by a flat footed Canelo who always has problems with boxers.And b level boxer in Jacobs?


Not to mention the fact that Marvin intentionally carried Duran a bit to insure he didn't scare Leonard and Hearns off for the big money fights.And if you noticed after the fight they asked Duran three times if he wanted a rematch but he avoided the question. That alone speaks volumes, because Duran has never turned down the opportunity to avenge a loss against any fighter.

That alone let me know he knew he couldn't win in a rematch and probably knew Marvin had carried him and he wanted nothing else to do with Marvin. It's also important to mention that all of them had campaigned at or near 160 before facing Marvin.Many had grown into the weight and were accustomed to the weight and were full fledged MWs before they faced Marvin.Unlike Brook who was fighting at MW his first fight when he faced GGG.But was still outboxing him before the eye injury.

Marvin Hagler is arguably the greatest MW in history and was beating killers and all time greats while being well past his peak and on his way out of the fight game. A prime Marvin Hagler would have savaged and destroyed GGG and stopped him in 7-9 rds.Marvin threw more punches in one rd than GGG threw in six rds. Prior to facing Leonard,Hearns and Duran he had faced the best of the MW division which included big MWs, very dangerous and tough fighters, all of which he beat in devastating and brutal fashion.Very good and very tough fighters that you had to practically kill to beat.Never leaving the decision in the judges hands.Not the soft angel food cake type fighters that GGG fought, many who were ready to lay down if you stared at them too hard.And who would fall down in a strong gust of wind.Many of those poor excuse for contenders were soft as dishwater suds. GGG doesn't have the multi faceted fight game and overall skill and toughness Marvin had. He is not on a level with Marvin and would have been exposed,brutalized and stretched, had he ever faced Marvin.

And all three champions who were multi dimensional fighters with an array of weapons in their arsenal would have punished and stopped GGG I'm convinced of it. GGG has only been dominant against one dimensional c and c+ level fighters everytime he faced a multi dimensional fighter who could box he struggled or was outboxed but still awarded the decision due to boxing politics..He is the one proven to be befuddled and made to look amateurish when facing b level boxers not Marvin.If Canelo,Jacobs and Brooks,made him look like a bumbling idiot I can only imaging what Leonard,Duran and Hearns would have done. GTFOH. Stay off these boards you liar and deceiver. Delusional GGG groupie, personal press agent and cheerleader.


This is Marvin Hagler closer to his prime.Defense,combination punching,head movement,versatility,toughness,stamina,footwork,fe rociousness.One of the best jabs ever in the history of the sport.Great Judge of distance.Great counter puncher.Superb inside fighter.He had it all.A much more superior boxer and overall complete fighter than GGG will ever be.No comparison.GGG is a hype job more than anything a hall of fame fighter maybe... but never an all time great.I want to see how he does against charlo and the russian fighter and andrade.He has only been impressive against c and c+ level one dimensional fighters thus far.Marvin would have beat the breaks off of him.Marvin could have beaten him several different ways outbox or out brawl him.Easy work.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvjfUbryXNw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grNEnrUlYOE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXPBU89VHHs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfcxEHcP-Zw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MYz2laxmY4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-XMYcgAbRg

[dray435]

Excuses are out of date. And he lost to Monroe twice...not once, but twice.

He finished Ouma, when he was 'ill' (since we are using excuses now). Basically retired him, broke his jaw. I agree that was probably his toughest fight to date. But that showed GGG's toughness.

Ouma was a fmr champion though? It was a competitive fight up until the stoppage but he ended it didn't he?

Lol schooled by Kell Brook - outlanded him in every round and knocked down in round 3.
https://www.boxingscene.com/gennady-...-stats--108627

Lol outboxed by Canelo and Jacobs - outlanded them in 10/11 rounds and 9/11 rounds respectively. Dropped Jacobs and hurt him multiple times. How do you say they outboxed GGG but Leonard didn't outbox Hagler Lol??? Come on dude. Anyone saying Jacobs especially, or Canelo, did enough to take the titles from the champ is out of their dang mind.

I agree Hagler was tough, but he was a one-trick pony. He came at you and almost everyone couldn't match his power, chin and toughness. GGG could, and GGG is a considerably better boxer.

Honestly you saying that Canelo Jacobs and Brook were outboxing GGG tells everyone all they need to know about your interests. You can't even accurately analyze GGG because of how he looks. It's tiresome.

No point in talking anymore - 1) you think Kell Brook was schooling GGG 2) you think Canelo beat GGG 3) you think Jacobs beat GGG and 4) you think Hagler beat Leonard.

GGG could KO Charlo Dervy Saunders Canelo and Jacobs and you would still find a way to hate him.

And how am I a troll when I have been on these boards before you?You're the troll.But more importantly a GGG groupie and cheerleader and a green boxing novice.

[dray435]

Excuses are out of date. And he lost to Monroe twice...not once, but twice.

He finished Ouma, when he was 'ill' (since we are using excuses now). Basically retired him, broke his jaw. I agree that was probably his toughest fight to date. But that showed GGG's toughness.

Ouma was a fmr champion though? It was a competitive fight up until the stoppage but he ended it didn't he?

Lol schooled by Kell Brook - outlanded him in every round and knocked down in round 3.
https://www.boxingscene.com/gennady-...-stats--108627

Lol outboxed by Canelo and Jacobs - outlanded them in 10/11 rounds and 9/11 rounds respectively. Dropped Jacobs and hurt him multiple times. How do you say they outboxed GGG but Leonard didn't outbox Hagler Lol??? Come on dude. Anyone saying Jacobs especially, or Canelo, did enough to take the titles from the champ is out of their dang mind.

I agree Hagler was tough, but he was a one-trick pony. He came at you and almost everyone couldn't match his power, chin and toughness. GGG could, and GGG is a considerably better boxer.

Honestly you saying that Canelo Jacobs and Brook were outboxing GGG tells everyone all they need to know about your interests. You can't even accurately analyze GGG because of how he looks. It's tiresome.

No point in talking anymore - 1) you think Kell Brook was schooling GGG 2) you think Canelo beat GGG 3) you think Jacobs beat GGG and 4) you think Hagler beat Leonard.

GGG could KO Charlo Dervy Saunders Canelo and Jacobs and you would still find a way to hate him.

Dude you are just a liar just check boxrec folks he lost to Monroe once and koed him in the second rd the third fight and tkoed him the second fight.You're not only a cheerleading delusional GGG groupie, but a big liar also.But you have established yourself on these boards as a boxing authority?What a damned shame and sad deception.

[barmy_tosser]

very excited

[dray435]

Marvin Hagler closer to his prime.Defense,combination punching,head movement,versatility,toughness,stamina,footwork,fe rociousness.One of the best jabs ever in the history of the sport.Superb inside fighter.He had it all.A much more superior boxer and overall complete fighter than GGG will ever be.No comparison.GGG is a hype job more than anything a hall of fame fighter maybe but never an all time great.I want to see how he does against charlo and the russian fighter and andrade.He has only been impressive against c and c+ level one dimensional fighters thus far.Marvin would have beat the breaks off of him.Marvin could have beaten him several different ways outbox or out brawl him.Easy work.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvjfUbryXNw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grNEnrUlYOE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXPBU89VHHs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfcxEHcP-Zw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MYz2laxmY4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-XMYcgAbRg




Duran Vs Davey Moore Only 32 Years Old in This Fight And Only 32 When He Fought Marvin.Not Old At All And His Performance Showed It.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZev0ucgyIY



Another video of the fight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGTlQsjzmWU

[kafkod]

FCUK OFF !!

I have never supported that rubbish..... not once, EVER !!

when the WBC announced that they were going to recognize three champions..... I laughed at them, just like everyone else with an ounce of common-sense

when Sturm/Geale were ranked ahead of Golovkin the situation was this..... the WBA #2 contender was fighting BUMS..... your cool story bro, is that a great champion was making genuine title defences lol

that is NOT the same thing, and you know it

GTFOH

bull****, the WBA came up with that fukwittery in 2009

stop telling silly stories

FACT: the WBA do not/cannot, have three genuine champions..... so stop being ridiculous

You are an obsessed troll who's interest in the sport begins and ends with flom0s vs paktards. Get a life you sad fukker.

[Kali_KO]

Loeffler did a great job with this promotion on only 2.5 weeks. GGG team deserve credit when they have successful ratings because of promoting the fight, unlike many others that only package it for TV and take for money for low ratings