Comments Thread For: Hearn: We Won't Let You Play With Our Balls To Overpay Wilder!

[hitking]

Who's everyone?
You're talking about like minded people on this forum... That doesn't make up the buying public for boxing. It doesn't in the UK.. they'd pay to see AJ Vs his bin-man.

It certainly doesn't for the USA... The facts are there in front of us all that wilder nor AJ can draw significant US PPV numbers and again they'd be mostly casual fans in that market

Your whole argument is based on the notion that everyone thinks likes you and likes what you like..AND furthermore that theyre willing to pay for it. The numbers would suggest otherwise .

Wilder as an opponent over povetkin might sell slightly more sure... But not enough to command a fee so exorbitant in comparison to his previous bouts and drawing power that it's above what's been offered currently. The vast lions share of that fight revenue is still generated by AJ... Why does Wilders name on it means he commands multiple times more than his actual worth... And AJ stands to gain a minimal amount more than prior fights?

This is hearns point.. overpayments were done precisely for leverage in this position and let's say... The fight doesn't sell well and actually only does 40 million or so... Judged against previous purses wilder absolutely would be getting hugely overpaid. He does not bring.. 30% - 40% of anything to this. Not to PPV sales. Not to the gate... Not to the international TV.

So if the fight does tens of millions of dollars more than anything AJ has every done, it’s because of AJ. Dude that makes absolutely no sense and unless you’re a complete idiot, you know it doesn’t make sense. Canelo hasn’t done **** in terms of PPV prior to his fight with Floyd. But the fight became the highest grossing fight in history at the time. To say Canelo had minimal impact on those numbers is ridiculous.

[hitking]

I never said AJ did better than Mayweather vs DLH Canelo. So what's your point?

You said outside of Manny and McGregor, AJ is generating close to the same numbers that Floyd was. And that’s absolute horse****.

[Laligalaliga]

It is only going to end up costing AJ money long term because his value is pegged right now and he can't get bigger really because how can he grow the UK market further? He is not helping his case to build himself up in America by doing this, so he is only going to languish on this side of the pond and he needs Wilder to grow his brand here


Wilder with all the pub is only going to get bigger and next time he comes around his asking price will be higher as his q rating goes up in America.

Wilder is considerably more valuable to Joshua than Parker, so unless they are offering a much better deal on a percentage basis than Parker no reason for Wilder to do anything with it now, because there is money in that fight and eventually that phone will ring and then they will have to meet his demands.

Now Team Joshua should drive a hard bargain as should Team Wilder because every little bit matters, sometimes that makes a fight hard to make but as long as both keep winning (or even not as depicted by Floyd-Manny) the money is only going higher.

Do it now or do it later they are paying Wilder a lot more than 12.5 million in the end, and Joshua will make a lot more than his biggest payday as well. Neither are hurting badly for cash and both will do fine going forward, with Joshua doing better so he is more content but eventually he is going to want more and Wilder will want that real heavyweight money.

In other word, what are you trying to say?
A guy should be giving X10 his pay while the other should get X2 his pay so that peace will reign.
That's injustice, peace will never reign in that kind of settings.

[Sid-Knee]

You said outside of Manny and McGregor, AJ is generating close to the same numbers that Floyd was. And that’s absolute horse****.

I'm talking about Mayweather's later fights such as Ortiz, Maidana, Berto and Guerrero.

And Floyd took the vast majority of the money against Canelo as well.

[yammy25]

So if the fight does tens of millions of dollars more than anything AJ has every done, it’s because of AJ. Dude that makes absolutely no sense and unless you’re a complete idiot, you know it doesn’t make sense. Canelo hasn’t done **** in terms of PPV prior to his fight with Floyd. But the fight became the highest grossing fight in history at the time. To say Canelo had minimal impact on those numbers is ridiculous.

Canelo had the huge country and massive nationalistic support of Mexico....does wilder have the huge nationalistic support of the USA? Lol no.....

Let me make this easy for you..
1. It won't sell many millions more but I'll humour you on this one...
2. Let's say AJ sells 600,000 ppv's on average for his shows , but this show sells 1 million.... Are you trying to tell me in all seriousness that Deontays wilder is solely responsible for those extra 400,000 buys?

The Deontay wilder that barely sells out a 14k arena with COMPED tickets... Has never fought PPV in his life and was literally unknown to people on the street outside the very arena he was fighting in that night.. That Deontay wilder is the reason those 400,000 tickets were sold?...

And you want to compare him to Canelo?? You think the huge boxing country and fanbase that is Mexico and the subsequent US Hispanic market didn't have anything to do with those buys...

Wilder is not responsible for anything resembling 30% of anything in this fight lol

[Laligalaliga]

If he made $28M against Parker, a 60/40 split against Wilder sounds about right. Because he’ll make between $24M-$30M according to Hearns projections. And a Wilder fight is bigger than a Parker fight. Not to mention his projections are probably low. Especially if they chose to move the start time to accommodate American PPV.

And you think that's fair on AJ?

[Earl-Hickey]

Wilder is being offered 6x his highest payday to fight for the undisputed title and he said no.

That's the end right there

At the end of the the day wilders dick riders would be defending him no matter if he'd turned down 60% by coming up with some BS so it is what it is.

[boxingfan4ever]

You're right - if he comes back with a legitimate counteroffer, I'll turn on Joshua and Hearn for refusing to continue negotiations.

If he signs with Breazele within a week, then we know for sure.

As of now Wilder hasn't said anything about making a counteroffer, doe..

Wilder has to know HE IS NOT IN CHARGE! He is the CLEAR B-side. Anything over 30-35% for him just can't be expected. Really anything over 25% is more than he deserves.

As of now, the only side I've heard who has made a legitimate, MORE THAN FAIR offer is Hearn and Joshua.

How deluded you are ... Hearn just does not want his man to be knocked out, because Joshua's biggest test is Wilder, and Hearn knows that he is most likely knocked out, it's obvious that after he knocks out his Man to top it off will pay a good slice of the cake ... Wilder should forget about Hearn and Joshua and create with The Gypsy King the scaffolding for a massive confrontation .... 2 billboards with Wilder defending his title and Fury of co-starring. ... and from there for Las Vegas to the great contest of the True Champion against the Linear Champion !! Joshua does not have anyone else to make a huge ticket with Wilder and Fury .....!

[Earl-Hickey]

So if the fight does tens of millions of dollars more than anything AJ has every done, it’s because of AJ. Dude that makes absolutely no sense and unless you’re a complete idiot, you know it doesn’t make sense. Canelo hasn’t done **** in terms of PPV prior to his fight with Floyd. But the fight became the highest grossing fight in history at the time. To say Canelo had minimal impact on those numbers is ridiculous.

The fight wont make 10s of millions more than any other AJ fight.

You are looking at 150-200k more ppv buys MAYBE which is 3.5-4 million more.

Gate revenue will be the same as the klitschko fight and hbo or showtime wont break the bank because itll be on at a ****ed time and neither is proven $$$ in america

All this "extra money" people are pulling out of their asses isnt there.

[lion33lit]

The thing that sticks out in the article is the number of fighters that Hearn claims to have overpaid. Charles Martin was about as paper as a paper champion can he. They basically paid him to hand AJ a bogus belt. Parker arguably lost two of his last three fights prior to AJ. I understand Whyte because it’s a local rivalry. But he’s willing to in his mind overpay guys to hand AJ bogus title belts. But he’s not willing to in his mind overpay the the one guy people wanna see AJ fight most. Even with a 60/40 split, AJ is gonna make a ****load of money. Likely more than he’s ever made before. It’s like these guys are talking outta both sides of their asses. Wilder brings nothing to the table. But, according to Hearns projections, AJ is looking at a career high payday for fighting him. Doesn’t make sense to me.

Another bulldozer post! .....I peeped it(Hearns nutty new declaration), but it was sooo blaring that I automatically thought it would go over the heads of the AJ fans - thinking to myself, "is it even worth posting or even coming out with my playful "fan-girls" trolling posts!" That crazy Hearn assersion was the 1st thing that stuck out. Hearn AND AJ always put their feet in their mouths, its like they can't help it.

All of a sudden, Hearn is REFUSING to overpay??! It's crazy. He simply doesnt want that gravy train to stop just yet, its like he's relying on AJ for his wealthy financial position & status and he's cunningly "refusing" Wilder from derailing it.....

If AJ was to simply tell Hearn "make the fight no matter what," - it would be made. Barry Hearn, after AJs 8th fight, advised AJ to "duck" Wilder because he was too "strong." Wise move. But it seems AJ hasnt gotten over that advice, or the fact he actually was given that advice. Whatever it is, Hearn & AJ will keep "talking" this fight away into oblivion......but REAL fans of the "sport" will truly know whats up.

If AJ beats Wilder in the ring - good for him......why would that hurt a fan of the "sport." Its a good even fight. There was no way I thought Holyfield would beat Mike - he did though (with some headbutts to boot). The point is, AJ shows no signs of being as brave as a Holyfield minded fighter. He could surprise us though after all the NEEDED pressure.