If Joshua was fighting people like gavern after 30 fights...

[Vinnykin]

Now Klitchko was avoiding Valuev ?????


Who ducked Vitali by declining 2 million to fight him ,so much it resulted in Klitchko going to the press using the word "Chicken " , ...o.k carry on .......

Name me one fighter that got to 46-0 and had won or defended the interim or WBA regular title 10 times from his 34th fight before getting a shot at a title......I'll wait.

Yeah, general consensus at the time was why isn't Wladimir Klitschko fighting the guy..... I remember it well. Vitali was the WBC champion.... Valuev was pure WBA since 2004, lucky Chagaev won it off him, he fought him straight away.... and I think it was due to the size, Klitschko is not as effective when he is the smaller man and he knew it, and Tyson Fury knew it as well lol

Not saying he didn't avoid Vitali, but he was interim WBA, regular and then full..... he was obviously wanting to win the super title and unify.

[Big Ukrainian]

Name me one fighter that got to 46-0 and had won or defended the interim or WBA regular title 10 times from his 34th fight before getting a shot at a title......I'll wait.

Yeah, general consensus at the time was why isn't Wladimir Klitschko fighting the guy..... I remember it well. Vitali was the WBC champion.... Valuev was pure WBA since 2004, lucky Chagaev won it off him, he fought him straight away.... and I think it was due to the size, Klitschko is not as effective when he is the smaller man and he knew it, and Tyson Fury knew it as well lol

Not saying he didn't avoid Vitali, but he was interim WBA, regular and then full..... he was obviously wanting to win the super title and unify.

Wladimir beat Chagaev and Haye, both of whom beat Valuev. And he made an official offer for Valuev to face him in June 2009, when Haye pulled out of their fight.

[juggernaut666]

Name me one fighter that got to 46-0 and had won or defended the interim or WBA regular title 10 times from his 34th fight before getting a shot at a title......I'll wait.

Yeah, general consensus at the time was why isn't Wladimir Klitschko fighting the guy..... I remember it well. Vitali was the WBC champion.... Valuev was pure WBA since 2004, lucky Chagaev won it off him, he fought him straight away.... and I think it was due to the size, Klitschko is not as effective when he is the smaller man and he knew it, and Tyson Fury knew it as well lol

Not saying he didn't avoid Vitali, but he was interim WBA, regular and then full..... he was obviously wanting to win the super title and unify.

Klitcho beat bigger steroided up Wach who HAD skill.

Claiming Wlad would not fare well bc of Valuevs size and against a guy Haye almost knocked out and AGED Holyfield out pointed once again tells me you are hitting the booze .....

Im not going to waste my time here , sorry only an idiot would.........

[Vinnykin]

Klitcho beat bigger steroided up Wach who HAD skill.

Claiming Wlad would not fare well bc of Valuevs size and against a guy Haye almost knocked out and AGED Holyfield out pointed once again tells me you are hitting the booze .....

Im not going to waste my time here , sorry only an idiot would.........

I never said he would lose, I just said that Valuev is not a fighter Klitschko (Wladimir) makes offers to..... trust me, I suffered years of Fury calling him out, and then he chose Leapai and Jennings when Fury was higher ranked and even calling him out.

Klitschko then tried to dominate proceedings, even tried to cheat with gloves and the padded ring..... he knew he was ****ed, he knew he couldn't impose his style on a bigger, heavier Fury...... and like you predicted Joshua to get dropped, survive and be losing until he KO'd Klitschko in the 11th (did I get that right?), I actually predicted Fury to easily outpoint Klitschko, WIDE!

Stop jumping on the Valuev thing, we know Wilder hadn't won a WBC silver or WBA regular and defended numerous times before his shot..... and that's where I am coming from.

Champions defend, no matter how bad (Valuev) was. Wilder was terrible before Stiverne and now is masquerading as the baddest man on the planet.....it's a joke!

[Sparked_26]

I don't think that is the main reason, I think what Rob McCracken said in yesterday's press conference was far more revealing. He said he felt the Klitschko fight was 3 fights too early. He was speaking purely from a trainer point of view; with Joshua's long term success in mind. But the team decision weighs up all factors not just sporting, so they risked it.

With that said - it means the training team feel he is not the finished article, and he still has some ironing out to do and some experience to gain.

So why rush into every tough fight out there as quickly as possible? What modern day fighter does that? Even Floyd would go one hard fight and one easier fight, and alternate.

You add to the equation that AJ is the huge A-side. Why would he rush? Why not put yourself in the best possible position to win and earn the most amount of money? Why give experience away when you can close that gap significantly over the next 12 months?

I guess overall what I'm saying is yes I was being purposely ignorant in my last post, but I see posters being continuously ignorant the other way for the last several months. Pretending like they don't know that Wilder is peaking and Joshua is still on that upward learning curve. Pretending that they dont know that Wilders best chance is now, and each subsequent fight and camp Joshua has that Wilder's chances get worse. The "why don't you want to see the fight" line is equally as ignorant as this thread, and to be honest I'm quite sick of it all. It's like a constant chest puffing out and **** measuring exercise that I am sick to death of.

The Joshua is scared theme is BS, and Wilder is selling the hell out of it, he's smart, but Team Joshua are smarter, which is why they are going to take the fight when they want it.

Great post. I agree with all sentiments.

Especially about Wilder peaking and AJ getting there.

It does feel a little bit of a shame that all the Wilder chat has gotten in the way from a unification fight in the heavyweight division that will see one fighter own 3/4 of the heavyweight title. There is barely any discussion on the fight. I think the odds are a little nonsensical. Parker can win.

I do think that AJ has to fight Wilder if he wins regardless as they can't pump the brakes now. But I don't think that's possible anyhow. Povetkin, Whyte, Miller, Pulev etc. All good fighters.

But yeah, Wilder is ready. The yanks know it which is why some of them are being so obnoxious.

Wilder's not popular but an American heavyweight that owns all the titles. I think they realise the enormity of that. So if your an American boxing fan you'd jump on that bandwagon. It would be a shot in the arm for boxing over there and what happens there usually still has an impact on the sport globally.

Wilder had a legitimate shot at all the marbles so I do get why some of these posters are going Loopy.