If Joshua was fighting people like gavern after 30 fights...

[Madison Boxing]

So what's the problem with Joshua ironing out his flaws, whilst still facing good competition other than Wilder, is that not double standards?

Yeah, they could give Joshua 20 more fights where he has no chance of losing. Because he's not quite 100 percent of his potential yet and still developing and the 0 can't be risked yet. I'm sure posters would be fine with that.

[SAINTSTEVE]

Both are lacking in amateur experience and learning on the job. I don't know it makes much sense though that Joshua was ready for Klitschko but not Wilder yet. Do Joshua's handlers really have so much respect for Wilder that they don't think he's ready for him yet? It makes more sense that they're hoping someone like Ortiz does the job for him so that Joshua doesn't have to.

[Vinnykin]

Well, Valuev did. He had even worse resume in the first 39 fights. His biggest name was 5'9'' shot cruiserweight Dominguez whom he barely beat in a freak fight.

Valuev fought better opponents than Wilder for sure, lots of unbeaten guys coming up. He was only champion in his last 3rd fight, and then defended against Holyfield and Haye.... so he fought better fighters in defences as well.

You can't argue Wilder has the worst run into a WBC title fight, and then the worst run of defences.

If you can find me one boxer that defended the HW title against 7 worse opponents than WIlder, I'll be shocked, but I'll admit I'm hardly a historian of the sport.

[paulf]

No one ever gave Wilder a pass; they trashed him mercilessly on this forum for years and said he would get exposed when he fought a live body....... then went silent once the Stiverne fight was made.

[Vinnykin]

but povetkin doe!!!!!!!

Nearly, forced mandatory's don't count lol

[The Big Dunn]

So why is a fighter allowed to have 39 fights without taking a gamble. I don't understand why you have to go to all them lengths to protect an 0 at all cost. Just take a risk, if you lose you lose. Learn from it, and move on. I don't like this process of having to painstakingly guide someone to avoid any chance of them losing a fight. Got Joyce going after chisora after 3 fights. Lomachenko lost in his 2nd fight, wow how terrible, he learnt and now he's p4p number 1. This obsession with doing everything possible to avoid taking an 0, even if it means mismatch after mismatch, is What s ruining boxing, and I don't understand how people can be fans of that. Luckily quite a few of the euros are moving themselves on a lot quicker now.

Stop pretending to be ******. Wilder is raw. He fought bums because thats all he could beat.

The people you mention are far more developed as you are aware. Salido was the underdog, that was a cherrypick gone wrong because Loma hadn't adjusted to the size differential.

Wilder isn't protecting his ) or whatever ******ed Floyd related theories you guys come up with.

he is a raw, undisciplined power puncher with low to mid level skill that has fought comparably skilled but far less powerful opponents. He has defeated Stivernne and just beat Ortiz.

Aj should beat him. Now just admit you fear his raw power may end Aj's reign

[Irony123]

Would he get a pass from people on this forum? I mean, he didn't have much amateur experience either did he? Know he won gold but wilder won bronze. Would people be praising how Hearn had guided his career, if he was fighting people like that past the 30 fight mark and waiting to fight number 40 to fight a live opponent? Would people say Joshua deserves respect and is a true warrior? Would they dismiss people who didn't respect that as morons ? What do people think.....

it all depends, was he ready for the big fights? I don't think so, he wasn't well refined, and to be fair at that point he didn't even get any respect. However, now he should get the respect for what he is doing and where he is heading. Not to Dirty JCCs name but he fought way worse fighters much later in his career but he still gets respect because he did take on the tough challenges when he was ready.

[Madison Boxing]

Valuev fought better opponents than Wilder for sure, lots of unbeaten guys coming up. He was only champion in his last 3rd fight, and then defended against Holyfield and Haye.... so he fought better fighters in defences as well.

You can't argue Wilder has the worst run into a WBC title fight, and then the worst run of defences.

If you can find me one boxer that defended the HW title against 7 worse opponents than WIlder, I'll be shocked, but I'll admit I'm hardly a historian of the sport.

Id argue that prime haye was much more dangerous than Ortiz too. About 3 times quicker.

[Madison Boxing]

No one ever gave Wilder a pass; they trashed him mercilessly on this forum for years and said he would get exposed when he fought a live body....... then went silent once the Stiverne fight was made.

The mighty stiverne. Who did he actually beat?

[Irony123]

Stop pretending to be ******. Wilder is raw. He fought bums because thats all he could beat.

The people you mention are far more developed as you are aware. Salido was the underdog, that was a cherrypick gone wrong because Loma hadn't adjusted to the size differential.

Wilder isn't protecting his ) or whatever ******ed Floyd related theories you guys come up with.

he is a raw, undisciplined power puncher with low to mid level skill that has fought comparably skilled but far less powerful opponents. He has defeated Stivernne and just beat Ortiz.

Aj should beat him. Now just admit you fear his raw power may end Aj's reign

Agree with most of it, but Salido wasn't a cherry pick. If picking a fighter you think you can bit is a Cherry pick then 99% of the fights are cherry picks.