If Joshua was fighting people like gavern after 30 fights...

[Sparked_26]

His opposition was awful but it's basically worked out for him.

I can't imagine any other Olympian from now until the end of time getting away with his record.

[sunny31]

AJ is far superior to Wilder. You know this.

If you are ok with AJ waiting to fight Wilder, fine. You just can't justify it like this. The optics are bd because 99% of boxing fans/media believe AJ will win the fight.

Just admit the delay is so he can fight 2 or 3 lucrative fights-Miller, Whyte 2, Fury- and move on.

I don't think that is the main reason, I think what Rob McCracken said in yesterday's press conference was far more revealing. He said he felt the Klitschko fight was 3 fights too early. He was speaking purely from a trainer point of view; with Joshua's long term success in mind. But the team decision weighs up all factors not just sporting, so they risked it.

With that said - it means the training team feel he is not the finished article, and he still has some ironing out to do and some experience to gain.

So why rush into every tough fight out there as quickly as possible? What modern day fighter does that? Even Floyd would go one hard fight and one easier fight, and alternate.

You add to the equation that AJ is the huge A-side. Why would he rush? Why not put yourself in the best possible position to win and earn the most amount of money? Why give experience away when you can close that gap significantly over the next 12 months?

I guess overall what I'm saying is yes I was being purposely ignorant in my last post, but I see posters being continuously ignorant the other way for the last several months. Pretending like they don't know that Wilder is peaking and Joshua is still on that upward learning curve. Pretending that they dont know that Wilders best chance is now, and each subsequent fight and camp Joshua has that Wilder's chances get worse. The "why don't you want to see the fight" line is equally as ignorant as this thread, and to be honest I'm quite sick of it all. It's like a constant chest puffing out and **** measuring exercise that I am sick to death of.

The Joshua is scared theme is BS, and Wilder is selling the hell out of it, he's smart, but Team Joshua are smarter, which is why they are going to take the fight when they want it.

[The Big Dunn]

I don't think that is the main reason, I think what Rob McCracken said in yesterday's press conference was far more revealing. He said he felt the Klitschko fight was 3 fights too early. He was speaking purely from a trainer point of view; with Joshua's long term success in mind. But the team decision weighs up all factors not just sporting, so they risked it.

With that said - it means the training team feel he is not the finished article, and he still has some ironing out to do and some experience to gain.

So why rush into every tough fight out there as quickly as possible? What modern day fighter does that? Even Floyd would go one hard fight and one easier fight, and alternate.

You add to the equation that AJ is the huge A-side. Why would he rush? Why not put yourself in the best possible position to win and earn the most amount of money? Why give experience away when you can close that gap significantly over the next 12 months?

I guess overall what I'm saying is yes I was being purposely ignorant in my last post, but I see posters being continuously ignorant the other way for the last several months. Pretending like they don't know that Wilder is peaking and Joshua is still on that upward learning curve. Pretending that they dont know that Wilders best chance is now, and each subsequent fight and camp Joshua has that Wilder's chances get worse. The "why don't you want to see the fight" line is equally as ignorant as this thread, and to be honest I'm quite sick of it all. It's like a constant chest puffing out and **** measuring exercise that I am sick to death of.

The Joshua is scared theme is BS, and Wilder is selling the hell out of it, he's smart, but Team Joshua are smarter, which is why they are going to take the fight when they want it.

Good post. I understand your points. I just want to see them fight. I think it would be good for the sport in light of the Canelo debacle.

[VatoMulatto]

Hell no. AJ would be called the most protected fighter on planet earth.

Wilder was still fighting 8 round fights against C-level fighters after 27 fights. His first fight that was scheduled for 10 rounds happened after 24 fights. First fight scheduled for 12 rounds against Audley Harrison (fight 28). Stiverne was his first top 10 fighter in his 33rd fight. Wilder's team not been very confident that's why they've been taking it very slow.

[paulf]

The mighty stiverne. Who did he actually beat?

Well there's the problem. He didn't beat Wilder, even though everyone on this very forum said Wilder was a no-talent bum who would get exposed when he fought someone that was a total can.

This thread was about someone getting a "pass." I wonder who, because Deontay Wilder damn sure didn't get one.

[Vinnykin]

Valuev's resume in the 39 first fights was even worse that Wilder's one. Wilder at least fought one top-10 opponent prior to Ortiz (Stiverne-1), Valuev didn't. But I agree that Wilder has the worst run of title defences in the heavyweight history.

I'll give you the 39, but Valuev was never given opportunity due to his size, even Klitschko avoided him at one point, he never got a clear run at a HW title until the WBA against prime chagaev who was too good.

Look at his fights from ****y Ryan in 2004. Look at the win-loss ratio of the last 18 fighters he fought..... there is no comparison really, at least Valuev fought at his level his whole career, Wilder is a cherry picker and has fought terrible opponents. Ortiz is the only one Irated but I said before he was too old and would gas. Wilder didn't win due to technique or wearing him down or using skill..... stamina and youth won the day..... just.

Valuev has a far better record than Wilder..... that is obvious.

[uppercut510]

How about we just see AJ vs Wilder so we can see the best fight the best and not these BUMS right?

[Vinnykin]

Prime Haye's best win at HW is over a Valuev who struggled in a robbery over 46 year old Holyfield

David Haye showed more skill and fought much better opponents than Ortiz can even imagine.

We're talking about a unified CW champion, one of the fastest and most explosive HW's ever..... against Ortiz lol

and he'd beat Wilder as well btw.

[Curt Henning]

I don't think that is the main reason, I think what Rob McCracken said in yesterday's press conference was far more revealing. He said he felt the Klitschko fight was 3 fights too early. He was speaking purely from a trainer point of view; with Joshua's long term success in mind. But the team decision weighs up all factors not just sporting, so they risked it.

With that said - it means the training team feel he is not the finished article, and he still has some ironing out to do and some experience to gain.

So why rush into every tough fight out there as quickly as possible? What modern day fighter does that? Even Floyd would go one hard fight and one easier fight, and alternate.

You add to the equation that AJ is the huge A-side. Why would he rush? Why not put yourself in the best possible position to win and earn the most amount of money? Why give experience away when you can close that gap significantly over the next 12 months?

I guess overall what I'm saying is yes I was being purposely ignorant in my last post, but I see posters being continuously ignorant the other way for the last several months. Pretending like they don't know that Wilder is peaking and Joshua is still on that upward learning curve. Pretending that they dont know that Wilders best chance is now, and each subsequent fight and camp Joshua has that Wilder's chances get worse. The "why don't you want to see the fight" line is equally as ignorant as this thread, and to be honest I'm quite sick of it all. It's like a constant chest puffing out and **** measuring exercise that I am sick to death of.

The Joshua is scared theme is BS, and Wilder is selling the hell out of it, he's smart, but Team Joshua are smarter, which is why they are going to take the fight when they want it.

this pretty fair and honest

but the same people wanting to excuse AJ were the same ones harping on canelo who was in a similar situation

[juggernaut666]

I'll give you the 39, but Valuev was never given opportunity due to his size, even Klitschko avoided him at one point, he never got a clear run at a HW title until the WBA against prime chagaev who was too good.

Look at his fights from ****y Ryan in 2004. Look at the win-loss ratio of the last 18 fighters he fought..... there is no comparison really, at least Valuev fought at his level his whole career, Wilder is a cherry picker and has fought terrible opponents. Ortiz is the only one Irated but I said before he was too old and would gas. Wilder didn't win due to technique or wearing him down or using skill..... stamina and youth won the day..... just.

Valuev has a far better record than Wilder..... that is obvious.

Now Klitchko was avoiding Valuev ?????


Who ducked Vitali by declining 2 million to fight him ,so much it resulted in Klitchko going to the press using the word "Chicken " , ...o.k carry on .......