Comments Thread For: Hearn: Wilder Skipping Cardiff is Bull****, Doesn't Want Joshua!

[Ake-Dawg]

That's not it. To be clear, I think Hearn is a lying SOS, but understand his motives here.

He promotes both Whyte and Joshua, and to understand his motives, just consider his top 3 motivations (1) money (2) more money (3) even more money.

Who is afraid of who, ducking who etc is all just irrelevant background noise.

Whyte v Wilder would ticks all of Hearn's boxes. He makes money, not just from the fight, but also from the outcome. If Whyte wins, its a lucrative double-dip rematch with Joshua, if Wilder goes to the UK and does a Stiverne on Whyte, then suddently everyone in the UK knows him and wants to see Joshua fight him. Bingo. Only risk is a if it were a boring fight, and with Wilder, that's pretty low risk.

For Hearn, this path to Joshua v Wilder is Business 101 and he's just expressing frustration that not everyone is on the same wavelength.

Wilder attending Cardiff is a no-brainer for him as part of building up the Wilder v Whyte part of his grand plan.

As I said, I think Hearn is a SOS, but where is he wrong in his thinking about how best to sell this ? In fighting Whyte, Wilder gets a 7 figure sum during the preliminaries to build up the Joshua fight, and blowing out Whyte would have all the UK fans baying for Joshua to be set on him - which is where Hearn wants to take it.

For me, the one and only question is why Wilder won't go down that road ? The only possible reasons could be

(a) getting poor advice
- I don't see any other viable alternatives to Hearn's grand plan as Wilder will NOT get Joshua next. If Wilder won't fight Whyte, Hearn is left with a Whyte v Joshua rematch, which while he gets to double-dip, doesn't really help build up the eventual big one (Joshua/Wilder)
- Wilder staying stateside to fight whoever else for less money doesn't seem to meet Wilder's needs or to build up any frenzy for the Joshua fight in the UK

(b) pride. Wants to be the one to dictate how it all goes down
- Joshua or nothing
- but he's not going to get Joshua, so back to (a)

(c) does he see Whyte as a risk ?
- Wilder should be able to beat Whyte handily, but we are back to 'then why not take it ?'

Putting it all together, I can only think that Wilder sees his big ticket as the Joshua fight, and sees Whyte as potentially derailing it, and doesn't want any potential derailments.

So we are where we are. Hearn won't go Joshua/Wilder next, and if Wilder won't fight Whyte, it leaves Hearn having to either try sell a bs rematch between Whyte and Joshua, else go Plan B to start building up Joshua in the US instead of building up Wilder in the UK (ie Big Baby).

Wilder is on record saying that he'd fight Whyte if it guaranteed him Joshua. He basically told Hearn, either pay me 7 million with no guarantee or give me the guarantee and I'll take your current offer. Hearn said no, Wilder fought Ortiz and Whyte fought Browne.

The issue isn't understanding Hearn's logic with trying to throw Whyte in front of Joshua. Most of us just don't agree with it because it serves Joshua and Hearn only. I'm a fan. I want to see the best fight the best and I don't like waiting for the sake of money. I don't watch to see promoters make money (not saying you do).

[angkag]

Wilder is on record saying that he'd fight Whyte if it guaranteed him Joshua. He basically told Hearn, either pay me 7 million with no guarantee or give me the guarantee and I'll take your current offer. Hearn said no, Wilder fought Ortiz and Whyte fought Browne.

But what did Hearn say no to ? This is what Hearn had to say about that conversation:

“They said ‘oh we’ll take the Dillian Whyte fight if it means the Joshua fight.’ I said ‘ok, well let’s talk about that.’ Wilder made it very clear he wants 50/50 in the Joshua fight, which is not gonna happen'

So what Hearn said no to was a guaranteed 50/50 showdown with Joshua if Wilder fought Whyte, and that's where talks stalled.

[Ake-Dawg]

I am a little disappointed that Wilder will not be there but that being said , Hearn is now saying AJ may have invited Wilder in the ring post fight when he previously said he didn’t want Wilder in the ring. No wonder his own people don’t like him. I do hope Wilder is not going to avoid Whyte.

Why is Whyte a fight you want to see Wilder take. Literally NO ONE was talking about such a fight until Hearn brought it up. Whyte was blasted out by a green Joshua. Shouldn't he have to deal with the likes of Miller, Pulev, and Povetkin before he gets a crack at a title again. At least Pulev and Povetkin lost to a 30-something year old Klitschko.

[Steven Mccowan]

Wonder if AJ will ask crowd afterwards who they want him fight. After last fight he did that and everyone yelled WILDER.

[IMDAZED]

Not being a promoter fan boy by saying that.

All the worlds boxing media are gonna be at this event. Plenty of the UK mainstream sport media too. Wilder would have had a chance to get his version of events, whether i believe them or not, across. Now, Hearn gets to tell all the journos, and by extension the fans, that its Wilder ducking, he doesnt want it with Whyte, doesn't want to fight AJ, he was demanding 50/50 all that stuff.

This isnt about being right, this is about controlling the narrative. Wilder has given up that opportunity by not attending imo

No, not saying YOU are a promoter fan boy at all. Not in the slightest.

As far as Hearn controlling the narrative, depends on where you are and what you want to see. Obviously in the UK he’s controlling the narrative. But not as much in the US.

[angkag]

The issue isn't understanding Hearn's logic with trying to throw Whyte in front of Joshua. Most of us just don't agree with it because it serves Joshua and Hearn only. I'm a fan. I want to see the best fight the best and I don't like waiting for the sake of money. I don't watch to see promoters make money (not saying you do).

We're def. on the same team here - I would rather Wilder and Joshua just got it on right now, no 'marinating', but I guess I'm just resigned to living on the same planet as Hearn and knowing he's the one who's going to drive this whole thing.

Hearn won't go Wilder/Joshua next for all sorts of reasons so its looking for the best outcome other than that. So just looking at the alternatives, I actually like the idea of Wilder/Whyte in the UK - meantime Joshua-Big Baby in the US. Assuming they both win, then a Wilder/Joshua fight happens next, and even Hearn would want it.

[Ake-Dawg]

But what did Hearn say no to ? This is what Hearn had to say about that conversation:

“They said ‘oh we’ll take the Dillian Whyte fight if it means the Joshua fight.’ I said ‘ok, well let’s talk about that.’ Wilder made it very clear he wants 50/50 in the Joshua fight, which is not gonna happen'

So what Hearn said no to was a guaranteed 50/50 showdown with Joshua if Wilder fought Whyte, and that's where talks stalled.

Hmmmm. Are you falling for that? [He said he wanted 50% so I won't try and negotiate]? The talks have stalled in Hearns court EVERY time there is a legit conversation.

What I find intriguing is that you understand the business behind Hearn trying to get Whyte to fight Wilder, but you don't see it as business 101 to start your negotiation position higher than what you expect to get (50/50 in Wilder's case). So if Hearn is shrewd enough to understand how he can finesse a double payday by getting a Whyte-Wilder eliminator for the next big Joshua fight, why can't he understand that 50/50 is a negotiating position that simply needed him to counter offer.

[springfiels]

Don't worry the next step also is becoming more clearer.Joshua is going to HBO after Parker.

Hey, I'll keep it a buck fifty and some change with you... If Joshua moves to HBO after Parker, I will join the "duck duck goose" chorus myself!

Like I say, it will then seriously be entering Mayweather-Pac levels of ******ity and frustration...

[JLC]

It's crazy that Wilder would be fine with taking fights that can only get him up to a 2 million purse when he could get up to twice that amount of money with Whyte...

On top of that, Joshua agreed to Wilder's verbal proposal.

What’s crazy is taking a fight w Whyte for 7 figures effectively risking big time 8 figure numbers if you lose. Wilder is smart. He has had his coming out party showing his vulnerability, chin, and power vs Ortiz. Fighting Whyte brings no new fans to the table for a Joshua v Wilder fight, as Joshua has ALL of the UK as fans already. Fighting Whyte just does not make sense and it is a pointless risk. Let the WINNER get Whyte. That same 7 figure check that is there now will still be there AFTER Wilder v Joshua. But now you’re risking the 7 million instead of the 30 million.

People who wanna see Wilder fight Whyte first are hoping he loses so Joshua doesn’t have to fight and possibly lose to Wildwer.

Same to be said for people who want Joshua to fight someone else after he unifies w Parker. This $h!t Ain’t rocket science people. The fight that’s staring you in the face is the fight that needs to be made next. Stop making this complicated

[7not8]

here were go with this