Comments Thread For: Hearn Reacts To Wilder Calling Him 'White Man Milking a Brother'

[Redgloveman]

So you are saying that if Ortiz had fought Joshua while he was contracted to Eddie that eddie would have given him 50/50 based on the fact that he would also need to give Ortiz the best deal he could?

... How is that even remotely close to what I'm saying?

I know what you're trying to argue, but it's using pretty childlike logic.

In the example you give Hearn would balance the interests of his two clients, based primarily (as I mentioned before, on what they could be expected to bring to the fight themselves on the basis of previous income). It's not difficult. Clearly a 50/50 split would not be the best deal for Joshua would it, given that this would almost certainly represent a pay cut.

You're seriously struggling to understand the concept that a promoter will be more interested in making money for his own fighter than for someone else? Any money that Hearn gives to Wilder unnecessarily is money taken away from his own client (and Hearn himself)

Purse negotiations aren't based on "what a fighter is worth" they're based (like any business contract) on the relative bargaining strengths of the parties to the deal.

[BodiesInFlight]

He was projecting US racial issues in a Brit. I know

[IMDAZED]

He was projecting US racial issues in a Brit. I know

Doesn't seem like you do since your first reason was off. But yeah, he could be projecting racial issues. Either way, he wasn't referring to Hearn cheating Joshua or how much money they make.

[Rockybigblower]

... How is that even remotely close to what I'm saying?

I know what you're trying to argue, but it's using pretty childlike logic.

In the example you give Hearn would balance the interests of his two clients, based primarily (as I mentioned before, on what they could be expected to bring to the fight themselves on the basis of previous income). It's not difficult. Clearly a 50/50 split would not be the best deal for Joshua would it, given that this would almost certainly represent a pay cut.

You're seriously struggling to understand the concept that a promoter will be more interested in making money for his own fighter than for someone else? Any money that Hearn gives to Wilder unnecessarily is money taken away from his own client (and Hearn himself)

Purse negotiations aren't based on "what a fighter is worth" they're based (like any business contract) on the relative bargaining strengths of the parties to the deal.

You make my point. If wilder was to go to Hearn in order to make more money...he would have to make that money at the expense of Joshuas pay. Otherwise what would be the point. 35% is still 35% whoever hes managed by.

[TheKempyy]

Was it PPV?

[Cloud]

You dont like Wilder ? You mad .......bro?

You stating he should sign wtha group that has zero credibility on boxing and without education ? Hows Wilder going to make it if he leaves Haymon for a bunch of morons that do home videos ????

Hello lover.

I see you have been busy in the last two days. You were at 7, 881 or so posts. Now you're at 7, 925.

[7not8]

Red k sent for hurting my feelings

now that I'm on my computer and not my phone I can see that you have Pac Man in your signature and everything makes sense now. I'm sorry, I confused you for a boxing fan. I hate being Filipino because of idiots like you.

[New England]

He's also a victim of the current climate in US boxing and especially because there's no american rival. If he had a proper american rival things may have been different.

However I think the ortiz fight at least got people thinking that they'd like to watch Wilder next time he fights and that's not a bad thing.

Why does Wilder have three managers? That sounds more like milking to me.

al haymon.

he's not allowed to call himself a manager or a promoter because he does both. he's technically "an advisor." but in reality what he does primarily is fund fighters and secure TV dates and negotiate with venues, typically explicitly the involvement of a promoter anda violation of the ALI act if you are managing a fighter and also promoting him.

haymon uses lou dibella, who is a local Northeast guy adn who i typically respect, to promote wilder as a proxy. dibella just doesn't ahve hte kind of muscle needed to promote a ppv star. never has. unless i am forgetting something the biggest "PPV" fighter he ever promoted was jermain taylor. maybe you can argue that martinez was a bigger star, but it's basically six of one and half a dozen of the other. neither guy touched the stratosphere of a young and exciting american HW with knockout power.


what they're going to need is a major partnership with CBS / showtime, similar to how mayweather finished his career. basically make showtime a partner in your promotion. sign him long term to showtime with a guarantee, and let them worry about selling the fight and profiting. then they'll have the resources to build him into a star.



as for needing an america rival, i think it's obvious that he doesn't need it to be the b side biggest fight in boxing if he fights in the UK. that fight is already massive, biggest fight in boxing without a doubt. to truly maximize the revenue this fight could generate it would need to be in las vegas, and that would require a year or so of investment to make wilder into a bigger draw.

[IMDAZED]

Haymon takes a 1-2% commission, so he’s not exactly digging in Wilder’s pockets. I suspect Shelley Finkel and Jay Deas take significantly more.

But why is everyone bringing up what Wilder makes or what Joshua makes, etc.? That’s not Wilder’s point.


The statement should be kept in the context of what he was saying. Which was that Hearn is pulling the strings and is doing what benefits Hearn. Anthony Joshua is all of a sudden very interested in a rematch with Whyte? Yeah right. You think Joshua had designs to fight Miller? No, that’s Hearn. Just like Hearn is using Joshua as a carrot stick to get more money from HBO for the rest of the Matchroom stable.

So Wilder made that comment then said after, “if Joshua really wanted the fight...” He’s speaking to him being a puppet or a whore, whether you agree or not. And there are plenty of those who are highly-paid.

[McNulty]

Well said by Hearn. Really starting to like this guy!